Would you denounce your beliefs if tortured?

[Vasilisa Jade]

During the Holocaust, Jews were tortured and commanded to deny their God. There are also examples of Protestants in France who endured the same thing during the Nazi occupation. Of course, history supplies us with endless examples of one faith attempting to use power to destroy belief.

Would you refuse to denounce your beliefs publicly (and even accept another) if forced to endure torture?

Yeah, i would pretty much fake an elaborate awakening to avoid torture. If my freinds or family were involved I would force them to fake as well.

For anyone who thinks they are strong enough... me thinks you haven't researched popular torture techniques. See... I am strange. I research the things that scare me the most so that I understand them better, in hope of it not being an "unknown" scary thing, but just a scary thing.

And childbirth? It doesn't hold a candle to this among other things:

Pear Of Anguish Torture Device

Brazen bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have fun.

 

[Phasmid]

Yeah, i would pretty much fake an elaborate awakening to avoid torture. If my freinds or family were involved I would force them to fake as well.

For anyone who thinks they are strong enough... me thinks you haven't researched popular torture techniques. See... I am strange. I research the things that scare me the most so that I understand them better, in hope of it not being an "unknown" scary thing, but just a scary thing.

And childbirth? It doesn't hold a candle to this among other things:

Pear Of Anguish Torture Device

Brazen bull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have fun.

It's horrible to think what people had to endure.

 

[Quagmire]

"Would you denounce your beliefs if tortured"?

No, but I would in order to do well on a date.

 

[Phasmid]

"Would you denounce your beliefs if tortured"?

No, but I would in order to do well on a date.

Aren't dates a form of torture?

 

[Quagmire]

Aren't dates a form of torture?

They usually are for the person across the table from me.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

It's horrible to think what people had to endure.

It will happen agian in some part of the world. It is not a matter of "if" but "when" and "where."

That is why I have my game plan laid out. I can be whatever someone wants me to be, and whatever that might be still doesn't change what I truly believe. Above all self-preservation should be the goal so that you might be around one day to further your spiritual growth and teach your children. Die a martyr and guess who gets to rear your children? Your torturers. If they don't torture and kill them for fun first.

I hope it never happens in any civilized areas of the world, but I can tell you torture is somewhat common in most uncivilized areas right now. It is not a thing of the past. In fact... Guantanimo Bay... duh

 

[tkdrocks]

I hope it never happens in any civilized areas of the world, but I can tell you torture is somewhat common in most uncivilized areas right now. It is not a thing of the past. In fact... Guantanimo Bay... duh

Are they torturing people in Guantonimo to get them to quit their faith? They are provided Korans and allowed to pray/worship as they wish. To me this is more of a criminal detention facility. I may not agree with everything going on there, but it is a different scenario.

 

[idea]

Would you refuse to denounce your beliefs publicly (and even accept another) if forced to endure torture?

If someone tortured you long enough, would you believe that 1+1=7? I mean you might say it, but you wouldn't believe it...

 

[Cypress]

Would you refuse to denounce your beliefs publicly (and even accept another) if forced to endure torture?

Yes to both.
I know my limits, I am not good with taking pain.

 

[LuisDantas]

I am good at taking pain, but torture is torture. I would swear anything under torture, although I would hardly feel bound what whatever I said under such circunstances.

That is one of the reason why interrogatory under torture is not only immoral, but also counterproductive. It leads to very suspect intelligence.

 

[Penumbra]

It's kind of unhelpful to ask someone what they would do under torture if they've never been tortured before.

Someone who claims that s/he will not give in to torture might realize differently if s/he undergoes excruciating and extended pain, liking being skinned alive or having their fingers and toes cut off or eyes ripped out or something.

I don't have any metaphysical beliefs or any gods to renounce, but I do have values that I would not want to renounce. I could stand some pain, but I have limits, and after a certain point I'd have to submit to anything the torturer wanted.

 

[xxclaro]

Would God be pleased that you died or endured great torture instead of saying something your captors wanted you to say? I dunno,maybe. Would you be upset if someone captured your spouse or child and tortured them,telling them to say they didn't love you, and they did as they were told? Or would you be more pleased if they stubornely refused and instead went to their deaths? Would you then feel that they had really proved their love for you?
I think it is better to live to fight another day. Sure, a martyr can inspire people to action,but so can a good leader. Maybe God would be far more pleased if you said what they wanted,escaped,came back and killed the bastids so they couldn't torture any more people.

 

[LuisDantas]

Putting it another way: torturers do not deserve enough consideration for us to care what we do to get rid of them.

 

[dogsgod]

Would you denounce your beliefs if tortured?

Absolutely, and I'd reveal the secret alkayda handshake in a heartbeat.

 

[MurphtheSurf]

During the Holocaust, Jews were tortured and commanded to deny their God. There are also examples of Protestants in France who endured the same thing during the Nazi occupation. Of course, history supplies us with endless examples of one faith attempting to use power to destroy belief.

Would you refuse to denounce your beliefs publicly (and even accept another) if forced to endure torture?

I didn't know that Jews were asked to denounce their religion while in the camps. Not a likely scenario.
But the Nazis did offer one group of prisoners a chance to denounce their beliefs.

Chapter 6: A Purple Triangle in Dachau - Biography - Arnold Liebster Foundation

 

[Misty]

No faith is worth dying for in my opinion.

 

[Levite]

During the Holocaust, Jews were tortured and commanded to deny their God. There are also examples of Protestants in France who endured the same thing during the Nazi occupation. Of course, history supplies us with endless examples of one faith attempting to use power to destroy belief.

Would you refuse to denounce your beliefs publicly (and even accept another) if forced to endure torture?

I would hope that I wouldn't. In theory, the classical canons of Jewish Law prohibit apostasy and worshipping other gods even under threat of death. But rabbinic legal responsa since the Middle Ages have stated that one who denies God and abjures the Covenant under pain of death or torment, but returns and repents as soon as he may do so safely is not to be held liable for either apostasy or idolatry, because he did so only under mortal compulsion, and not from choice.

So, I would hope that I had the strength to die for my beliefs. But if I didn't I would know to say what I had to say in order to live and escape and repent.

 

[Nerthus]

It might be easy to say it, but whether you would actually believe it is different.

I'm guessing that the likelihood of me being tortured to denounce my religious belief is very unlikely, so who knows what the answer would be.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

How do you deny a truth that you believe?
I would happily tell a torturer what they wanted to hear, provided it did not hurt other people.
Things you say under duress are not accepted as legal or binding in the UK.

How much more so would that be in God's eyes.

It is not what you say in these situations, but what is in your heart.

 

[Sunstone]

You can get a person to say anything under torture.