Would you Lie?

[Monk Of Reason]

If it is already a given that you believe in god (or don't or whatever your position may be) and you know someone who is seeking answers and have not yet been convinced to join your side (which to reiterate you believe to be correct), would you lie to them about a situation or event in order to push them in the 'right' direction to believe?

If you were a Christian would you every lie about an experience with god to help someone else get through a troubling time in their faith? If you knew that would assist them in staying in the faith?

 

[LuisDantas]

If it is already a given that you believe in god (or don't or whatever your position may be) and you know someone who is seeking answers and have not yet been convinced to join your side (which to reiterate you believe to be correct), would you lie to them about a situation or event in order to push them in the 'right' direction to believe?

Maybe if given reason to believe it would be disastrous not to. But I would need some very convicing reason to make such an odd assumption, and I would feel very thorn and miserable about it in any case.

As a rule, if it takes my lying to nudge someone, then it is just not worth the trouble anyway.

 

[The Hammer]

If it is already a given that you believe in god (or don't or whatever your position may be) and you know someone who is seeking answers and have not yet been convinced to join your side (which to reiterate you believe to be correct), would you lie to them about a situation or event in order to push them in the 'right' direction to believe?

If you were a Christian would you every lie about an experience with god to help someone else get through a troubling time in their faith? If you knew that would assist them in staying in the faith?

I would not lie, the experience of faith or lack there of, is up to the individual person. It does not matter what I believe is "right" if it is not "right" for the other person. I might talk to someone about my faith and my experience with it, and why I believe the way I do, if they are a seeker and ask me questions about it, but I feel no need to proselytize. I also don't think choosing a religion is like choosing a "side", that automatically makes it a competition which is inherently dangerous.

Also as a rule I do why I can to avoid lying anyways, it causes more trouble then it is worth most days.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Maybe if given reason to believe it would be disastrous not to. But I would need some very convicing reason to make such an odd assumption, and I would feel very thorn and miserable about it in any case.

As a rule, if it takes my lying to nudge someone, then it is just not worth the trouble anyway.

To the christian for example it would be the most terrible fate ever to no believe and so it would be "disastrous" not too.

 

[Sabour]

If it is already a given that you believe in god (or don't or whatever your position may be) and you know someone who is seeking answers and have not yet been convinced to join your side (which to reiterate you believe to be correct), would you lie to them about a situation or event in order to push them in the 'right' direction to believe?

If you were a Christian would you every lie about an experience with god to help someone else get through a troubling time in their faith? If you knew that would assist them in staying in the faith?

I am a muslim and I don't do that and no one should do that.

 

[LuisDantas]

To the christian for example it would be the most terrible fate ever to no believe and so it would be "disastrous" not too.

Perhaps. But it would depend on how religiously wise the Christian is, I think. Specifically, on whether he trusts God enough not to bother so much.

 

[George-ananda]

No, I wouldn't lie.

If the truth and facts don't support my view why should even I believe it. I can only be at peace when I feel honest to myself.

 

[Desert Snake]

No.

I'm not sure if that makes me a bad person but whatever.

 

[Draupadi]

No never.

 

[Nakosis]

If it is already a given that you believe in god (or don't or whatever your position may be) and you know someone who is seeking answers and have not yet been convinced to join your side (which to reiterate you believe to be correct), would you lie to them about a situation or event in order to push them in the 'right' direction to believe?

If you were a Christian would you every lie about an experience with god to help someone else get through a troubling time in their faith? If you knew that would assist them in staying in the faith?

I only assume to know the right direction for me, not for anyone else. So no need for me to go about lying to push anyone.

 

[Robert.Evans]

If it is already a given that you believe in god (or don't or whatever your position may be) and you know someone who is seeking answers and have not yet been convinced to join your side (which to reiterate you believe to be correct), would you lie to them about a situation or event in order to push them in the 'right' direction to believe?

If you were a Christian would you every lie about an experience with god to help someone else get through a troubling time in their faith? If you knew that would assist them in staying in the faith?

You are not supposed to lie. So the answer is no. I wonder how this question arose... haha

 

[Jainarayan]

I would not lie to someone to persuade them to adopt my faith. If they were interested I would explain it as best I could (I'm still learning), but I would not make things up. It would be an irony and a hypocrisy as a Thorsman to do that... he has little tolerance for hypocrisy and dishonesty.

 

[nazz]

If it is already a given that you believe in god (or don't or whatever your position may be) and you know someone who is seeking answers and have not yet been convinced to join your side (which to reiterate you believe to be correct), would you lie to them about a situation or event in order to push them in the 'right' direction to believe?

If you were a Christian would you every lie about an experience with god to help someone else get through a troubling time in their faith? If you knew that would assist them in staying in the faith?

Absolutely not.

 

[columbus]

If it is already a given that you believe in god (or don't or whatever your position may be) and you know someone who is seeking answers and have not yet been convinced to join your side (which to reiterate you believe to be correct), would you lie to them about a situation or event in order to push them in the 'right' direction to believe?

If you were a Christian would you every lie about an experience with god to help someone else get through a troubling time in their faith? If you knew that would assist them in staying in the faith?

I don't think this a simple question in the context of religion. Unlike most subjects, virtually all the information is conjectural opinions. "I know Jesus Rose from the Dead" is a lie, strictly speaking because nobody can know that. The closest one could get is a fervent certainty of belief, which is not the same thing. But people will often make truth claims based on their opinions without qualifying them. So the question is not "Will you or won't you lie?". The question is how far from the demonstrable truth will you go and why?

Tom

 

[Robert.Evans]

I don't think this a simple question in the context of religion. Unlike most subjects, virtually all the information is conjectural opinions. "I know Jesus Rose from the Dead" is a lie, strictly speaking because nobody can know that.

Yes they can. That is the grace of God and understanding. What you just did was ---

The closest one could get is a fervent certainty of belief, which is not the same thing. But people will often make truth claims based on their opinions without qualifying them.

The mistake there is to think that something God given is just ''opinion'' which it is not.

So the question is not "Will you or won't you lie?". The question is how far from the demonstrable truth will you go and why?

We are all ignorant of some things. Judge not lest you be judged, said the wise man. Each one of us hopes we speak the truth, even atheists. But on this subject, they are wrong.

 

[SkylarHunter]

If it is already a given that you believe in god (or don't or whatever your position may be) and you know someone who is seeking answers and have not yet been convinced to join your side (which to reiterate you believe to be correct), would you lie to them about a situation or event in order to push them in the 'right' direction to believe?

If you were a Christian would you every lie about an experience with god to help someone else get through a troubling time in their faith? If you knew that would assist them in staying in the faith?

No, I wouldn't. I would explain my beliefs and what motivates my faith but people need to be able to make their own choices with as much real knowledge as possible. Lying to them just to convince them of something is stupid and disrespectful to them.

 

[Ingledsva]

If it is already a given that you believe in god (or don't or whatever your position may be) and you know someone who is seeking answers and have not yet been convinced to join your side (which to reiterate you believe to be correct), would you lie to them about a situation or event in order to push them in the 'right' direction to believe?

If you were a Christian would you every lie about an experience with god to help someone else get through a troubling time in their faith? If you knew that would assist them in staying in the faith?

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NO! Lies are too hard to remember.

Far better to be known as someone who always tells the truth.

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[Erebus]

I only assume to know the right direction for me, not for anyone else. So no need for me to go about lying to push anyone.

Pretty much this.

I have absolutely no interest in converting anybody to my religion. In fact, I rarely even tell people what my religion is. As far as most of my friends know, I'm either an atheist or an agnostic (not many people I know think that agnostic needs a qualifier). Makes things much simpler.

 

[columbus]

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NO! Lies are too hard to remember.

Far better to be known as someone who always tells the truth.

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Falsehoods you've been repeating for so long that you have come to believe them aren't hard to remember.

Especially when it is a whole society repeating them.

Tom
False

 

[Ingledsva]

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NO! Lies are too hard to remember.

Far better to be known as someone who always tells the truth.

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Falsehoods you've been repeating for so long that you have come to believe them aren't hard to remember.

Especially when it is a whole society repeating them.

Tom
False

What the hell is that supposed to mean in context to this thread???


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