Would you rat out an illegal immigrant?

[Comprehend]

If one of your co-workers was an illegal immigrant and he's not guilty of any other crime, would you rat him/her out?

Since when do we pick and choose which crime is acceptable and which we should "rat out" ?

Are you honestly suggesting that we support breaking the law by protecting them? Interesting.

Would you "rat out" a co-worker who uses drugs? Even if they drive a car every day to work and could kill someone?

Would you "rat out" a co-worker who peeks in womens windows at night and brags about it to you?

Do you care that illegals steal from communities by going to emergency rooms for free health care? Where do you think that money comes from? Your mom and dad and me and every other tax payer.


"ratting out" is a derogitory term criminals use to try to influence others to protect them. Since when has upholding the law been something negative that should be looked down on?

 

[Mathematician]

I wouldn't rat out someone who is a prostitute, uses drugs, or runs around his house nude screaming "I'm a pretty Martian." :sarcastic

If I don't believe in the law, why should I follow it? I consider human dignity more important than "the law." Besides, most illegals PAY taxes.

 

[Comprehend]

I wouldn't rat out someone who is a prostitute, uses drugs, or runs around his house nude screaming "I'm a pretty Martian." :sarcastic

If I don't believe in the law, why should I follow it? I consider human dignity more important than "the law."

You don't believe in the law?

So you wouldn't mind if I came over to your house, stole all of your belongings and beat the crap out of you?


What is your address?

 

[Mathematician]

So you wouldn't mind if I came over to your house, stole all of your belongings and beat the crap out of you?

No "law" is going to stop you if that's your real intention.

Likewise, no "law" is going to guarantee you'd survive the attempt.

 

[Comprehend]

No "law" is going to stop you if that's your real intention.

Likewise, no "law" is going to guarantee you'd survive the attempt.

Actually, the law prevents just this sort of thing 99% of the time. If there were no law, this would occur all day every day.

It is called a "social contract"

See: Hobbes, Locke, Reusseau, and Bastiat to start with.


PS. I like my chances..

 

[Mathematician]

See: Hobbes, Locke, Reusseau, and Bastiat to start with.

Hmm, I'm a socialist. I follow the idea people are naturally good. They don't need authority to be kept in check.

 

[Comprehend]

Hmm, I'm a socialist. I follow the idea people are naturally good. They don't need authority to be kept in check.

If you think people do not need authority, then you aren't a socialist.

I am with you though, I think people are naturally good too.

 

[Nanda]

Actually, the law prevents just this sort of thing 99% of the time.

No it doesn't. I'm pretty sure you just made that statistic up.

 

[Comprehend]

No it doesn't. I'm pretty sure you just made that statistic up.

It wasn't meant as an actual statistic, there is no way to measure what the "state of nature" would be. But yes it does, if you consider that without law, everyone would do it. Now, take a look at the closest 100 people around you and see who is robbing someone else right now.

 

[mcteethinator]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: If somones life in another country is so miserable that they feel the need to go that extreme, I'm not going to try and deny them.

That's exactly my position.

No human being is illegal.

If you think people do not need authority, then you aren't a socialist.

Correction: If you believe people do not need an authority, you aren't a totalitarian Stalinist. It's like saying if you don't believe in capitalism, you aren't a Nazi. When really you just aren't a capitalist.

All real socialists are anarchists, since they believe the state with wither away after a certain period of time under a transitory state. Now if this is true or not is another issue.

 

[Diogenes]

The nations experiencing the greatest influx of immigrants need them if they expect someone to pay for the ever expanding aging population. Who will pay for your retirement if you kick out all of the people still young enough to work? And even if retirment was not an issue-who is going to do all of those menial jobs that native born folks are unwilling to do because of low pay? It's a symbiotic relationship. If we choose to deport an entire population of people we would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. It's illogical to rat out so-called "illegals".

 

[Nanda]

It wasn't meant as an actual statistic, there is no way to measure what the "state of nature" would be. But yes it does, if you consider that without law, everyone would do it. Now, take a look at the closest 100 people around you and see who is robbing someone else right now.

Have you looked at the actual crime rates recently?

 

[Fluffy]

No. I would rather let them cheat the system in my country than suffer in their own country.

 

[Smoke]

It wasn't meant as an actual statistic, there is no way to measure what the "state of nature" would be. But yes it does, if you consider that without law, everyone would do it.

Everyone?

 

[Comprehend]

Have you looked at the actual crime rates recently?

yes. The problem is you are arguing against a philosophical assumption of a condition that never actually exists for any real period of time. The closest one can get to the state of nature is during the beginning of an invasion during a war. Take a look at Iraq, most likely every iraqi had to break the law daily in order to stay alive. That is what the state of nature requires.

 

[Comprehend]

Everyone?

Sorry, I guess I can't use expressions.

The vast majority of people would regularly break the law.


Is that better?

 

[dawny0826]

I probably would if I knew how.

I have yet to associate with an illegal immigrant, so I felt the best answer to be "Maybe".