Wrapping my head around this...

[FunctionalAtheist]

I know many people define atheist differently. Most on RF don't claim "knowledge that god doesn't exist" just lack of belief on a sliding scale.

I am an hardstone, cold, point blank atheist. Always was, always will be. (Maybe gnostic is better? I have knowledge that god doesn't exist... that aside)

1. God of abraham is said to be a being or spirit. How can he be a spirit when he has no body with whom that spirit comes from? (To Muslims, Jews, Christians, and others that don't believe in jesus or that jesus is god)

2. In mainstream christianity (since I don't know about Islam and Judaism) jesus is god. Now I've seen spirits. Every spirit I've seen and experienced was once a human. So, this makes more sense that jesus is a spirit. Since god has no physical attributes, he can't be nor represent god. I heard all the arguments before. It just leaves me thinking: If jesus is god, the father, then who is his father? If jesus and god are separate (one human and one being) and they are both god, then what defines god since he is would either be a spirit with no physical representation of him or a human in and of itself?

3. God is said to be consciousness. Do you guys mean the mind? Is god part of your mind and "he's" creating your thoughts and emotions? Neurons moving through parts of your brain does that. Thoughts are collective thoughts picked up by your brain like 0011s to a computer and translated into thoughts that are only restated in the brain. Nothing new from inside out. We just can't label it. So, if god is consciousness, wouldn't everyone acknowledge consciousness and given they have a mind and thoughts, wouldn't everyone already interpret their thoughts as greater then themselves? Is this type of god selective or is this type of god an emotion or something you can't define?

4. God is said to be everywhere and everything. Pantheism. Energy is everywhere and in everything. Energy (heat and all of that) creates and sustains life. So, taking spiritual terminology out, is god energy? I can't think of another term to use if it isn't energy because no other term to me captures the fact of how life begins, lives, and dies. I know it sounds like a cold way to describe god, but is god in pantheism an elegant way of saying god is energy?

5. God is said to be object(s) and people(s) for that matter of worship. What's the real purpose of worship? Of course even us atheist are grateful to others, our environment, and ourselves. It has nothing to do with our religions since everyone can experience the same thing regardless their religion or lack thereof. What is the reason of holding things "sacred"? I mean, you can still live life in gratitude et cetera without singling out an aspect of reality rather than considering all reality and everything and everyone sacred.

6. Last, god is said to be a mystical experience. Something greater (or undefined). Maybe defined my mythology, who knows. For another thread, perhaps. However, mystical experiences cannot happen without our involvement in our environment and people. How we put together pieces of our lives and patterns are not universal. If god is an experience, and everyone has experiences, wouldn't this mystical experience be universal? A fact. Something that is a part of life that all can share in? Why "mystical" though? Of course, some feelings are hard to explain. Why are they special?

Basically, what is a god? (I asked this before but kind of asking it in questions in hopes someone would actually read the thread and think about what I'm asking before replying).

If you can't describe it, then how is it more of a god than my not able to explain an physical and mental experience to my psychologist which may or may not be related to depression or anxiety?

Yes, I've had "mystical" experiences but I don't all them that since I don't like the sacred-concept and putting things and people above or below myself. Last question, once you put something or someone above or below yourself in sacredness, you make whatever it is you worship a god. Do you really need to do this to understand the mystery of life?

Can't experiences be experiences? and why do you guys need a purpose or origin when our purpose and origin are unfolding daily? It's not a big bang. It's not from a creator. It just is.

You can quote scripture but I would love to ask the same things to Moses and Jesus but they aren't alive right now, so basically you're telling me words of Moses and the apostles not jesus and most definitely not god.

Okay. I let this gather dust but if you reply please be polite. I put some people on ignore unfortunately because with all my threads they post something rude and completely irrelevant.

Em, quick response here. I also 'know' (as well as I know anything) that god does not exist! I've also had (more than a handfull of) experiences that can only be described as divine! (You say mystical.)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Em, quick response here. I also 'know' (as well as I know anything) that god does not exist! I've also had (more than a handfull of) experiences that can only be described as divine! (You say mystical.)

Eh. I stole the world mystical from @loverofhumanity. I usually say spirit-ual since I've experienced and seen spirits and how they, souls of the deceased, interact with us. I've had some pretty unexplained things happen.

Some god-religions are comfortable with letting god be "in the air". Others need a physical representation of him. I have no grievance over one or the other; but, it's interesting to ponder nonetheless.

That, and I chop posts up in quotes so I can read it all and type faster than I can think.

 

[Super Universe]

I know many people define atheist differently. Most on RF don't claim "knowledge that god doesn't exist" just lack of belief on a sliding scale.

I am an hardstone, cold, point blank atheist. Always was, always will be. (Maybe gnostic is better? I have knowledge that god doesn't exist... that aside)

1. God of abraham is said to be a being or spirit. How can he be a spirit when he has no body with whom that spirit comes from? (To Muslims, Jews, Christians, and others that don't believe in jesus or that jesus is god)

2. In mainstream christianity (since I don't know about Islam and Judaism) jesus is god. Now I've seen spirits. Every spirit I've seen and experienced was once a human. So, this makes more sense that jesus is a spirit. Since god has no physical attributes, he can't be nor represent god. I heard all the arguments before. It just leaves me thinking: If jesus is god, the father, then who is his father? If jesus and god are separate (one human and one being) and they are both god, then what defines god since he is would either be a spirit with no physical representation of him or a human in and of itself?

3. God is said to be consciousness. Do you guys mean the mind? Is god part of your mind and "he's" creating your thoughts and emotions? Neurons moving through parts of your brain does that. Thoughts are collective thoughts picked up by your brain like 0011s to a computer and translated into thoughts that are only restated in the brain. Nothing new from inside out. We just can't label it. So, if god is consciousness, wouldn't everyone acknowledge consciousness and given they have a mind and thoughts, wouldn't everyone already interpret their thoughts as greater then themselves? Is this type of god selective or is this type of god an emotion or something you can't define?

4. God is said to be everywhere and everything. Pantheism. Energy is everywhere and in everything. Energy (heat and all of that) creates and sustains life. So, taking spiritual terminology out, is god energy? I can't think of another term to use if it isn't energy because no other term to me captures the fact of how life begins, lives, and dies. I know it sounds like a cold way to describe god, but is god in pantheism an elegant way of saying god is energy?

5. God is said to be object(s) and people(s) for that matter of worship. What's the real purpose of worship? Of course even us atheist are grateful to others, our environment, and ourselves. It has nothing to do with our religions since everyone can experience the same thing regardless their religion or lack thereof. What is the reason of holding things "sacred"? I mean, you can still live life in gratitude et cetera without singling out an aspect of reality rather than considering all reality and everything and everyone sacred.

6. Last, god is said to be a mystical experience. Something greater (or undefined). Maybe defined my mythology, who knows. For another thread, perhaps. However, mystical experiences cannot happen without our involvement in our environment and people. How we put together pieces of our lives and patterns are not universal. If god is an experience, and everyone has experiences, wouldn't this mystical experience be universal? A fact. Something that is a part of life that all can share in? Why "mystical" though? Of course, some feelings are hard to explain. Why are they special?

Basically, what is a god? (I asked this before but kind of asking it in questions in hopes someone would actually read the thread and think about what I'm asking before replying).

If you can't describe it, then how is it more of a god than my not able to explain an physical and mental experience to my psychologist which may or may not be related to depression or anxiety?

Yes, I've had "mystical" experiences but I don't all them that since I don't like the sacred-concept and putting things and people above or below myself. Last question, once you put something or someone above or below yourself in sacredness, you make whatever it is you worship a god. Do you really need to do this to understand the mystery of life?

Can't experiences be experiences? and why do you guys need a purpose or origin when our purpose and origin are unfolding daily? It's not a big bang. It's not from a creator. It just is.

You can quote scripture but I would love to ask the same things to Moses and Jesus but they aren't alive right now, so basically you're telling me words of Moses and the apostles not jesus and most definitely not god.

Okay. I let this gather dust but if you reply please be polite. I put some people on ignore unfortunately because with all my threads they post something rude and completely irrelevant.

Revelation has always come to humanity. We are still trying to figure out the universe and God. The ancient idea of "spirits" was that there were beings who could take over peoples bodies, animal bodies, and even be natural events. The current idea of "spirits" is that they are ghosts. You won't have a realistic understanding of angels and spirits for another 500 to 1,000 years.

How can God be a spirit when He has no body? He does have a form but it's not a material body.

In mainstream Christianity Jesus is God? Those people want to promote Jesus as God because they want to feel that their prophet is better than other prophets. Jesus was not and is not God. If God were to take human form then Jesus would be the closest thing.

Every spirit you've seen and experienced was once a human? You haven't been doing it for very long then or your abilities are minimal. I would just say that you should be very careful. You are playing with fire and it will burn you.

Jesus can't represent God? No one thing represents God.

What defines God? All that is.

God is said to be consciousness? It's way more complicated than that but yes. Your brain is not a biological storage device, it is a biological receiver/transmitter. Your mind/memory exists as a part of God.

God is not creating thoughts and emotions, your personality is a file on God's computer with a unique assembly of traits. You are free to think what you wish.

Is God energy? Yes, and everything else. Your understanding of the universe is limited. Your scientists think that energy is electromagnetic radiation. Which it is, but there is a type of energy your scientists have not discovered yet.

What is the purpose of worship? To return energy to God. As a human your ability to do this is very inefficient, partly because your mind flip flops so often from this to that and because your understanding of the truth about God is primitive. As you ascend you will be taught how to do this more efficiently.

Energy creates life? It does not create life. Your scientists have attempted to make amino acids by zapping pond scum with electricity but amino acids are not alive.

Energy sustains life? In the right amounts, too much and it is harmful.

God is said to be a mystical experience? By the mystics.

What is a god? A being that is closest to the Prime Creator.

Basically, you want all the answers and to you the bible and religion don't make sense. I could explain it all to you but I guarantee that if you're looking for God or the angels to give you something that you want, you won't like my answers.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Revelation has always come to humanity. We are still trying to figure out the universe and God. The ancient idea of "spirits" was that there were beings who could take over peoples bodies, animal bodies, and even be natural events. The current idea of "spirits" is that they are ghosts. You won't have a realistic understanding of angels and spirits for another 500 to 1,000 years.

How can God be a spirit when He has no body? He does have a form but it's not a material body.

In mainstream Christianity Jesus is God? Those people want to promote Jesus as God because they want to feel that their prophet is better than other prophets. Jesus was not and is not God. If God were to take human form then Jesus would be the closest thing.

Every spirit you've seen and experienced was once a human? You haven't been doing it for very long then or your abilities are minimal. I would just say that you should be very careful. You are playing with fire and it will burn you.

Jesus can't represent God? No one thing represents God.

What defines God? All that is.

God is said to be consciousness? It's way more complicated than that but yes. Your brain is not a biological storage device, it is a biological receiver/transmitter. Your mind/memory exists as a part of God.

God is not creating thoughts and emotions, your personality is a file on God's computer with a unique assembly of traits. You are free to think what you wish.

Is God energy? Yes, and everything else. Your understanding of the universe is limited. Your scientists think that energy is electromagnetic radiation. Which it is, but there is a type of energy your scientists have not discovered yet.

What is the purpose of worship? To return energy to God. As a human your ability to do this is very inefficient, partly because your mind flip flops so often from this to that and because your understanding of the truth about God is primitive. As you ascend you will be taught how to do this more efficiently.

Energy creates life? It does not create life. Your scientists have attempted to make amino acids by zapping pond scum with electricity but amino acids are not alive.

Energy sustains life? In the right amounts, too much and it is harmful.

God is said to be a mystical experience? By the mystics.

What is a god? A being that is closest to the Prime Creator.

Basically, you want all the answers and to you the bible and religion don't make sense. I could explain it all to you but I guarantee that if you're looking for God or the angels to give you something that you want, you won't like my answers.

God and spirituality does not need to be mystical, deep, and hard to explain. There is no "limited" understanding nor is there someone much more wise than the next person beside me in spiritual matters. We are all in the same life, same world, who have the ability to experience the same thing. There is no such thing as limited if you're discussing something you can't describe and it is beyond explanation.

In other words, you can't say what's limited and what's not, when you don't know anything concrete about what it is you're basing this scale of knowledge on.

Energy creates life? It does not create life. Your scientists have attempted to make amino acids by zapping pond scum with electricity but amino acids are not alive.

Scientists are just that. I don't have scientist. So, I don't know what you mean by that. If you think that taking spirituality out makes life sound like, um, scum, that's your thing. Regardless if spirit is in life or not, the point is why does it matter? What is the purpose of the unknown to help you with the known?

Can a mystery help solve your problems?

I don't know what your religion is. The Bible is not an authority to me so using it to explain something outside of your belief won't go anywhere unless you want me to learn something for knowledge.

I went to a Spiritualist Church today for the first time. Very nice sermon. Unfortunately, the people's language reflect off of what they dislike about christianity. I never had a bad experience from Christianity, so I couldn't relate. So, the pastor was talking about Spirit. How Spirit (some say creator others say force) connects us all together. It IS us. It's the breathe of life (my words). It isn't mystical (as they put it), it isn't above (as many religious put it), it doesn't need to be worshiped (as even more religious do), it just is.

It is not special. It just is.

Since this is a god-environment, and many religious movements are protestants from christianity, the word god is used often. But the consensus is life continues. Spirit continues. Energy continues.

It IS scum. It IS computers. Spirit makes up everything that is the way it is and how it runs. It's "breathe" if going by biblical terms.

But it does not need to be worshiped. That's like my worshiping you.

That is how I understand god. When I seen spirits, I've seen a soul of the deceased. When you make something "undefined" you're basically limiting it to a vague abstract concept when it is not. It is very simple. Very specific. Very literal part of life.

My question I can't wrap my head around is, what is the definition of this god that is higher than self, consciousness, everything but ironically a mystery at the same time.

How do you define a mystery or something unseen and how does this mystery affect your life to where, if you were christian, you feel the love from the mystery more than you would from your husband or wife?​