Write always the truth, it's like a scalpel: it hurts excruciatingly, but it heals

[mikkel_the_dane]

If you elude questions, it means that you know what Truth is.

I don't know what Truth is. I am a skeptic.

Here is how Truth works.
You and other poster can't agree on whether socialism is good or bad.
You both know the Truth but contradict eachother, so one of you don't know the Truth.

I just admit I don't know the Truth.

 

[Ignatius A]

If you elude questions, it means that you know what Truth is.

I've seen threads over 40 pages long filled with people denying facts, forget truth.

 

[Estro Felino]

I'm wasnt disrespectful of yours. I merely said both socialism and fascism suck the life out of people so what you call it is irrelevant. How is that disrespectful?

I do respect your view. But it's a view...not the truth.
My view is that socialism is disliked by the wealthy who want to own all the riches in the world...so they want to steal properties and money from others...through acts bordering illegality, sometimes.

 

[PureX]

We would have to know what the truth is before we could to convey it to others.

Therein lays the problem. We all think we know the truth. But none of us has any way of actually knowing this to be so. We just "believe" we know. Which is already untrue.

 

[HonestJoe]

So you're saying that the world isn't overpopulated?

The "truth" of that question isn't a simple yes or no. It is also not what your previous statement said (you referred to "breeding like rabbits" but that doesn't automatically imply overpopulation.

While I agree with the principle that we should generally speak and write the truth, that can only be the truth as we currently perceive and understand it. What is at least as import is to listen to other people speaking their truths, and be willing to accept possible modifications, conditions or wholesale replacement of what we previously believed as true.

 

[Estro Felino]

The "truth" of that question isn't a simple yes or no. It is also not what your previous statement said (you referred to "breeding like rabbits" but that doesn't automatically imply overpopulation.

What I meant, of course, is that the number of world population is absolutely oversized with respect to the number of resources.
That in biology is called overpopulation of a species.

While I agree with the principle that we should generally speak and write the truth, that can only be the truth as we currently perceive and understand it. What is at least as import is to listen to other people speaking their truths, and be willing to accept possible modifications, conditions or wholesale replacement of what we previously believed as true.

I believe there are objective truths.
I have seen defendants and convicts deny they were the murderers in a trial, even after watching the video of them while doing it.

 

[Kenny]

This is what journalists should do.
Abandon political correctness and choose Truth instead.
This sentence is not mine.

It's from a writer and journalist, Oriana Fallaci.


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Do you agree with her?

I think it is missing a step. Quoting the Apostle John, “ And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."

Truth does cut but grace is the healing agent in the surgical effort.

IMV, truth without grace cuts but kills rather than heals.

 

[Stevicus]

I don't know what Truth is. I am a skeptic.

Here is how Truth works.
You and other poster can't agree on whether socialism is good or bad.
You both know the Truth but contradict eachother, so one of you don't know the Truth.

I just admit I don't know the Truth.

I agree that one can't really know the "ultimate" truth which requires complete objectivity (which is impossible for humans). However, one can discern whether or not people's actions are consistent with their stated principles and values.

So, in the above example, I don't see it as a matter of agreeing on whether socialism is good or bad, but rather a matter of one's viewpoint being consistent with one's stated moral values and principles.

 

[HonestJoe]

What I meant, of course, is that the number of world population is absolutely oversized with respect to the number of resources.

That isn't a definitive truth though, just an opinion. Plenty of people would say, with equal justification, that the problem is unequal distribution of the resources and that the current human population could all live perfectly comfortable if that could be resolved.

The specifics of that example don't really matter, the general point remains that there isn't a singular simple answer than can be deemed the "truth". Very little (if anything) is simple enough for that to be the case.

I believe there are objective truths.

You believe. You don't know that as an objective truth.

There are clearly a whole load of definitive facts about the universe. The problem is that we can't know exactly what those facts are. We can observe, test, believe, conclude and, in many cases, reach 99.9% certainty on some things (or at least a high enough level for practical day-to-day purposes) but never with 100% certainty. There are plenty of things people once generally agreed was objectively true that turned out not to be (or, more commonly, turned out not to be a simple as first imagined).

Those "truths" we hold to aren't necessarily consistent with the actual facts, nor with the "truths" as held by other people. That is actually the reason that the principle your thread highlights is so important; We need to speak our "truths" not because they must be right, but because they could be wrong.

 

[Ignatius A]

I do respect your view. But it's a view...not the truth.
My view is that socialism is disliked by the wealthy who want to own all the riches in the world...so they want to steal properties and money from others...through acts bordering illegality, sometimes.

Well it is the truth that socialism and fascism suck the life out of people. BTW I am far from wealthy and I despise socialism and anyone with hna moral bone in their body should despise it as well.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well it is the truth that socialism and fascism suck the life out of people. BTW I am far from wealthy and I despise socialism and anyone with hna moral bone in their body should despise it as well.

Well...if you are far from wealthy, yet you like the American healthcare (paid through insurances), I respect it.

 

[Ignatius A]

Well...if you are far from wealthy, yet you like the American healthcare (paid through insurances), I respect it.

I do like American healthcare but the problem with it is insurance. But the solution to the problem is not having the govt control healthcare. And that's not even socialism even if govt does control healthcare. Tell me where in the world actual socialism has worked. I will save you time, places like Norway and Sweden are NOT examples of socialism.

 

[Estro Felino]

I do like American healthcare but the problem with it is insurance. But the solution to the problem is not having the govt control healthcare. And that's not even socialism even if govt does control healthcare. Tell me where in the world actual socialism has worked. I will save you time, places like Norway and Sweden are NOT examples of socialism.

Yes, it is socialism.

 

[Estro Felino]

We would have to know what the truth before we could to convey it to others.

Therein lays the problem. We all think we know the truth. But none of us has any way of actually knowing this to be so. We just "believe" we know. Which is already untrue.

If none of us possesses the truth, why are witnesses forced to swear to say the truth, nothing but the truth?
Juridically the truth does exist.
Otherwise nobody would go to prison for perjury.

 

[Ignatius A]

Yes, it is socialism.

No it's not socialism and they really hate that label. In those countries EVERY citizen pays taxes and EVERY citizen has to pay a value added tax(VAT) on EVERYTHING they buy. A fruit socialist ou try can't afford such things.

 

[Estro Felino]

No it's not socialism and they really hate that label. In those countries EVERY citizen pays taxes and EVERY citizen has to pay a value added tax(VAT) on EVERYTHING they buy. A fruit socialist ou try can't afford such things.

Can you define socialism with your own words?
I won't accept any link.

 

[Kathryn]

There are many facts that are truths that are seemingly contradictory, but they aren't I don't believe. We just don't know how to view them, so we view only part of the truth.

 

[Ignatius A]

Can you define socialism with your own words?
I won't accept any link.

Absolutely. Socialism is a type of system whereby the means of production are owned and regulated by the people. That's not how things actually work in the Nordic countries liberals love to chirp about, that's why they hate that label. People seem to confuse "socialized" medicine with socialism.

 

[Estro Felino]

Absolutely. Socialism is a type of system whereby the means of production are owned and regulated by the people.

Yes, by the community of citizens. Bravo.

That's not how things actually work in the Nordic countries liberals love to chirp about.

You're wrong.,
The nationals banks in Scandinavia are owned by the State, that is by the People.

 

[Ignatius A]

Yes, by the community of citizens. Bravo.

You're wrong.,
The nationals banks in Scandinavia are owned by the State, that is by the People.

LMBO They don't regulate or own the means of production.

That's communism not socialism