WWII Hitler The Holocaust And Today

[CMike]

There was a similar thread posted where the thread was about the opinions of one person.

Therefore, I am creating another one where anyone can post their opinions.

It was terrible part of world history. It's a shame how Hitler capitalized on the great losses that Germany had due to WW I.

He did a good job channeling their despair into German Nationalism.

Once again Jews were a major target. That's because when people are doing poorly they need someone to blame, they can't take responsibility for themselves. It has to be the evil Jews. That's why there were so many pogroms, and even why the arabs hated Israel so much during it's creation and now.

Jews came to Israel after WWII because they had no where to go. They bought overpriced worthless land from arab land owners. Through determination they made the land prosperous. The arabs instead of learning their techniques, grew envious, and sought to destroy the Jews. It's a familiar story in Jewish history.

What WW II teaches is that we when we see the threat of evil on this type of scale, you can't negotiate it, you need to defeat it.

We are seeing this today by the dire threat of radical Islamic terrorism today. To me things seems to be getting worse and more dark.

Please feel free to post your thoughts about Hitler, WWII, and even what is going on today.

 

[leibowde84]

There was a similar thread posted where the thread was about the opinions of one person.

Therefore, I am creating another one where anyone can post their opinions.

It was terrible part of world history. It's a shame how Hitler capitalized on the great losses that Germany had due to WW I.

He did a good job channeling their despair into German Nationalism.

Once again Jews were a major target. That's because when people are doing poorly they need someone to blame, they can't take responsibility for themselves. It has to be the evil Jews. That's why there were so many pogroms, and even why the arabs hated Israel so much during it's creation and now.

Jews came to Israel after WWII because they had no where to go. They bought overpriced worthless land from arab land owners. Through determination they made the land prosperous. The arabs instead of learning their techniques, grew envious, and sought to destroy the Jews. It's a familiar story in Jewish history.

What WW II teaches is that we when we see the threat of evil on this type of scale, you can't negotiate it, you need to defeat it.

We are seeing this today by the dire threat of radical Islamic terrorism today. To me things seems to be getting worse and more dark.

Please feel free to post your thoughts about Hitler, WWII, and even what is going on today.

It's funny you say that. I always thought that the animocity towards "the West" by arab muslims was based on envy. They see our technology, comfort, sexy women, great food, alcohol, pot, music, dancing, kissing, and having fun, and they are like ... "if we don't get to have fun like that, you shouldn't be aloud to either." Jealousy to the max, imho. Same goes for those that feel that Islam is under attack. They speak ill of our Western Culture, so why wouldn't we spak ill of theirs. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. No one is beyond criticism.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

There was a similar thread posted where the thread was about the opinions of one person.

Therefore, I am creating another one where anyone can post their opinions.

It was terrible part of world history. It's a shame how Hitler capitalized on the great losses that Germany had due to WW I.

He did a good job channeling their despair into German Nationalism.

Once again Jews were a major target. That's because when people are doing poorly they need someone to blame, they can't take responsibility for themselves. It has to be the evil Jews. That's why there were so many pogroms, and even why the arabs hated Israel so much during it's creation and now.

Jews came to Israel after WWII because they had no where to go. They bought overpriced worthless land from arab land owners. Through determination they made the land prosperous. The arabs instead of learning their techniques, grew envious, and sought to destroy the Jews. It's a familiar story in Jewish history.

What WW II teaches is that we when we see the threat of evil on this type of scale, you can't negotiate it, you need to defeat it.

We are seeing this today by the dire threat of radical Islamic terrorism today. To me things seems to be getting worse and more dark.

Please feel free to post your thoughts about Hitler, WWII, and even what is going on today.

I'd generally agree, though there is a stark common thread here that is often overlooked in academic/journalistic circles

Socialism

that's what the Z in NAZI stood for, it was German socialism first and foremost. Hitler is very clear about this in Mein Kampf. It's no coincidence that Jews represented a conspicuously wealthy segment of society, it was class war, redistribution of wealth, centralized control. Hitler wanted to expand this across Europe, and he was quite successful.

Similarly in the ME today, there are several very religious, yet relatively peaceful, prosperous countries without the massive social strife and terrorist problems, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait- hardly ideal societies, but people at least have some opportunity to do something productive with their lives.

Then there is Iraq, Syria, Yemen, long time socialist states. Saudi Arabia - even with it's vast oil wealth creates a huge disaffected population..

Every rant from bin laden was more about economic policy than religion, what was targeted on 9-11? an iconic symbol of western religion? of 'immoral behavior'? or free market capitalism?

 

[Wirey]

I'd generally agree, though there is a stark common thread here that is often overlooked in academic/journalistic circles

Socialism

that's what the Z in NAZI stood for, it was German socialism first and foremost. Hitler is very clear about this in Mein Kampf. It's no coincidence that Jews represented a conspicuously wealthy segment of society, it was class war, redistribution of wealth, centralized control. Hitler wanted to expand this across Europe, and he was quite successful.

This is historically inaccurate. The Nazis named themselves National Socialist in order to try and gain votes from the Nationalist party and the Social Democrats. A no time did Hitler ever espouse socialist views. In fact, one of his first acts was to organize all of the unions in Germany into a single entity so he could subvert it. Removing unions is the exact opposite of socialism.

Hitler was a fascist, plain and simple. Any policy that values one member of society above another is automatically disqualified from being socialist. I can call match heads 'candy' all day to impress you, but that won't make them taste sugary. Hitler called his party 'Socialist' to gain votes, not to describe his policies.

 

[Nietzsche]

There was a similar thread posted where the thread was about the opinions of one person.

Therefore, I am creating another one where anyone can post their opinions.

It was terrible part of world history. It's a shame how Hitler capitalized on the great losses that Germany had due to WW I.

He did a good job channeling their despair into German Nationalism.

Hitler wasn't the only one doing it. During the era(1918 to 1933 or so), every political party in Germany was promising the same thing. Revenge on France & Britain, and retaking Germany's "Place in the Sun".

What WW II teaches is that we when we see the threat of evil on this type of scale, you can't negotiate it, you need to defeat it.

We are seeing this today by the dire threat of radical Islamic terrorism today. To me things seems to be getting worse and more dark.

How are the two even remotely comparable?

Once again Jews were a major target. That's because when people are doing poorly they need someone to blame, they can't take responsibility for themselves. It has to be the evil Jews. That's why there were so many pogroms, and even why the arabs hated Israel so much during it's creation and now.

Jews came to Israel after WWII because they had no where to go. They bought overpriced worthless land from arab land owners. Through determination they made the land prosperous. The arabs instead of learning their techniques, grew envious, and sought to destroy the Jews. It's a familiar story in Jewish history.

Err, there were several areas that were considered to be the Jewish Homeland. Some portions of Alaska, Uganda, a bit in Australia, there was a Soviet offer, I think there was also some plan to turn former East Prussia into a Jewish state, ect.

I'd generally agree, though there is a stark common thread here that is often overlooked in academic/journalistic circles

Socialism

that's what the Z in NAZI stood for, it was German socialism first and foremost. Hitler is very clear about this in Mein Kampf. It's no coincidence that Jews represented a conspicuously wealthy segment of society, it was class war, redistribution of wealth, centralized control. Hitler wanted to expand this across Europe, and he was quite successful.

Sigh.

The "class war" that Hitler participated in was against the Worker. He even lamented in 42-43 that "We destroyed the Class-War on the Left, but have left untouched the Class-War on the Right".

The NASDAP's economic policies can't be painted as Left/Right. They were far more backwards than that. It was a neo-Feudal construct more than anything.

 

[gsa]

Similarly in the ME today, there are several very religious, yet relatively peaceful, prosperous countries without the massive social strife and terrorist problems, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait- hardly ideal societies, but people at least have some opportunity to do something productive with their lives.

Then there is Iraq, Syria, Yemen, long time socialist states. Saudi Arabia - even with it's vast oil wealth creates a huge disaffected population..

Every rant from bin laden was more about economic policy than religion, what was targeted on 9-11? an iconic symbol of western religion? of 'immoral behavior'? or free market capitalism?

While there is no doubt that the Islamists are opposed to Western imperialism and capitalism, they are not trying to institute a workers state. Nor were the proponents of "Arab socialism," who were largely anti-communist and nationalist.

You are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts. Islamists hate "leftists," who they (rightly) associate with atheism, secularism and social liberalization.

 

[CMike]

It's funny you say that. I always thought that the animocity towards "the West" by arab muslims was based on envy. They see our technology, comfort, sexy women, great food, alcohol, pot, music, dancing, kissing, and having fun, and they are like ... "if we don't get to have fun like that, you shouldn't be aloud to either." Jealousy to the max, imho. Same goes for those that feel that Islam is under attack. They speak ill of our Western Culture, so why wouldn't we spak ill of theirs. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. No one is beyond criticism.

I agree. If you can't be part of it, destroy it.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

While there is no doubt that the Islamists are opposed to Western imperialism and capitalism, they are not trying to institute a workers state. Nor were the proponents of "Arab socialism," who were largely anti-communist and nationalist.

You are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts. Islamists hate "leftists," who they (rightly) associate with atheism, secularism and social liberalization.

I agree with you entirely, they are certainly not liberals or worker state proponents, or environmentalists, atheists, global warmers or keen on Jon Stewart, alternative energy, smoking pot, and lots of other things lefties are associated with, I'm talking about socialism

NAZI and arab socialist baath parties, were/are socialist by their own self definition-- they are socialists first and foremost, anti freemarket, anti-capitalist, this is the common thread, the common hateful ideology behind both tyrannical entities . one pretty neutral on religion, one very religious- USSR North Korea, Communist China- were all atheist .

i.e we agree and that was the point, the common thread among these is NOT morals, religion, race, it's socialism that has been the same common denominator enemy the free world has been fighting all along

 

[gsa]

I agree with you entirely, they are certainly not liberals or worker state proponents, or environmentalists, atheists, global warmers or keen on Jon Stewart, alternative energy, smoking pot, and lots of other things lefties are associated with, I'm talking about socialism

NAZI and arab socialist baath parties, were/are socialist by their own self definition-- they are socialists first and foremost, anti freemarket, anti-capitalist, this is the common thread, the common hateful ideology behind both tyrannical entities . one pretty neutral on religion, one very religious- USSR North Korea, Communist China- were all atheist .

i.e we agree and that was the point, the common thread among these is NOT morals, religion, race, it's socialism that has been the same common denominator enemy the free world has been fighting all along

I think you missed the point.

 

[CMike]

I agree with you entirely, they are certainly not liberals or worker state proponents, or environmentalists, atheists, global warmers or keen on Jon Stewart, alternative energy, smoking pot, and lots of other things lefties are associated with, I'm talking about socialism

NAZI and arab socialist baath parties, were/are socialist by their own self definition-- they are socialists first and foremost, anti freemarket, anti-capitalist, this is the common thread, the common hateful ideology behind both tyrannical entities . one pretty neutral on religion, one very religious- USSR North Korea, Communist China- were all atheist .

i.e we agree and that was the point, the common thread among these is NOT morals, religion, race, it's socialism that has been the same common denominator enemy the free world has been fighting all along

Also socialism is first and foremost about government control.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Also socialism is first and foremost about government control.

That is true, socialists are never content with practicing what they preach, it's about making everybody else sacrifice their wealth and freedoms to government. Al Gore has the carbon footprint of Godzilla

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Nazism is not socialist. They persecuted and killed the socialists, including the Nazis who wanted to move Nazism in a more socialist direction. Al Gore is not a socialist, either.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is historically inaccurate. The Nazis named themselves National Socialist in order to try and gain votes from the Nationalist party and the Social Democrats. A no time did Hitler ever espouse socialist views. In fact, one of his first acts was to organize all of the unions in Germany into a single entity so he could subvert it. Removing unions is the exact opposite of socialism.

A single union under government control though.....that could easily be seen a socialism (pretty effective "ownership of the means of production").

Hitler was a fascist, plain and simple.

He was also a good dancer.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

A single union under government control though.....that could easily be seen a socialism (pretty effective "ownership of the means of production").

of course. centralizing unions is the 'opposite' of socialism?, and he only preached and labeled himself socialist for pr?! that takes spin to a whole new level.
he developed his hatred for people being more successful than him as a broke art student, completely disconnected from economic reality.

 

[psychoslice]

I believe in letting the past go, why cling to it ?.

 

[Revoltingest]

of course. centralizing unions is the 'opposite' of socialism?, and he only preached and labeled himself socialist for pr?! that takes spin to a whole new level.
he developed his hatred for people being more successful than him as a broke art student, completely disconnected from economic reality.

Under socialism, probably the only people who understand economics are the criminals running the black market.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Under socialism, probably the only people who understand economics are the criminals running the black market.

there's nothing like socialism if you want businesses to be corrupt and monopolistic

 

[leibowde84]

Nazism is not socialist. They persecuted and killed the socialists, including the Nazis who wanted to move Nazism in a more socialist direction. Al Gore is not a socialist, either.

The Nazis were pretty socialistic, but they were certainly not Communists or Socialists, although their title, "the National Socialist Party" would tell you different. They sure did confescate a ton of property and spent it on the military and friends of the Nazis though.