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X-rated Pornography in the Bible?

muizz99

Sunni Muslim
Sexually explicit content.


Women's vaginas taste like "wine"
( Song of Songs 7,8 / Ezekiel 23 )

Song of Songs 7

How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince’s daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of an artist’s hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbim. Your nose is like the tower of Lebanon looking toward Damascus. Your head crowns you like Mount Carmel. Your hair is like royal tapestry;
the king is held captive by its tresses. How beautiful you are and how pleasing, my love, with your delights! Your stature is like that of the palm, and your breasts like clusters of fruit. I said, “I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.” May your breasts be like clusters of grapes
on the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine.

May the wine go straight to my beloved, flowing gently over lips and teeth. I belong to my beloved, and his desire is for me. Come, my beloved, let us go to the
countryside, let us spend the night in the villages. [c] Let us go early to the vineyards to see if the vines have budded, if their blossoms have opened, and if the pomegranates are in bloom — there I will give you my love. The mandrakes send out their fragrance, and at our door is every delicacy, both new and old, that I have stored up for you, my beloved.

Song of Songs 8

If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother’s breasts!
Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you,
and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother’s house—
she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink, the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me. Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you Do not arouse or awaken love
until it so desires.

Who is this coming up from the wilderness leaning on her beloved?

Under the apple tree I roused you; there your mother conceived you,
there she who was in labor gave you birth.
Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy[a] unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. Many waters cannot quench love; rivers cannot sweep it away. If one were to give all the wealth of one’s house for love,
it[c] would be utterly scorned.

We have a little sister, and her breasts are not yet grown. What shall we do for our sister on the day she is spoken for? If she is a wall, we will build towers of silver on her. If she is a door, we will enclose her with panels of cedar.

I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers. Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment. Solomon had a vineyard in Baal Hamon; he let out his vineyard to tenants. Each was to bring for its fruit a thousand shekels[d] of silver. But my own vineyard is mine to give; the thousand shekels are for you, Solomon, and two hundred[e] are for those who tend its fruit.

You who dwell in the gardens with friends in attendance,
let me hear your voice!

Come away, my beloved, and be like a gazelle or like a young stag on the spice-laden mountains.

Ezekiel 23

The word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in
prostitution from their youth. In that land
their breasts were fondled and their virgin
bosoms caressed. The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. They
were mine and gave birth to sons and
daughters. Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah
is Jerusalem.

“Oholah engaged in prostitution while she was still mine; and she lusted after her
lovers, the Assyrians—warriors clothed in blue, governors and commanders, all of them
handsome young men, and mounted
horsemen. She gave herself as a prostitute to all the elite of the Assyrians and defiled
herself with all the idols of everyone she
lusted after. She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during
her youth men slept with her, caressed her
virgin bosom and poured out their lust on
her.

“Her sister Oholibah saw this, yet in her lust and prostitution she was more depraved
than her sister. She too lusted after the Assyrians—governors and commanders,
warriors in full dress, mounted horsemen, all
handsome young men. I saw that she too defiled herself; both of them went the same
way.

“But she carried her prostitution still further. She saw men portrayed on a wall,
figures of Chaldeans[a] portrayed in red, with belts around their waists and flowing turbans on their heads; all of them looked
like Babylonian chariot officers, natives of
Chaldea. As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to
them in Chaldea. Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed of love, and in their
lust they defiled her. After she had been
defiled by them, she turned away from them
in disgust. When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her naked
body, I turned away from her in disgust, just
as I had turned away from her sister. Yet she became more and more promiscuous as
she recalled the days of her youth, when she
was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were
like those of donkeys and whose emission was
like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your
bosom was caressed and your young breasts
fondled.

“Therefore, Oholibah, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will stir up your
lovers against you, those you turned away
from in disgust, and I will bring them against
you from every side— the Babylonians and all the Chaldeans, the men of Pekod and
Shoa and Koa, and all the Assyrians with
them, handsome young men, all of them
governors and commanders, chariot officers
and men of high rank, all mounted on horses. They will come against you with weapons, [d] chariots and wagons and with a throng of people; they will take up positions against
you on every side with large and small shields
and with helmets. I will turn you over to them
for punishment, and they will punish you
according to their standards. I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will
deal with you in fury. They will cut off your
noses and your ears, and those of you who
are left will fall by the sword. They will take
away your sons and daughters, and those of
you who are left will be consumed by fire. They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry. So I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you
began in Egypt. You will not look on these
things with longing or remember Egypt
anymore.

“For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am about to deliver you into the
hands of those you hate, to those you turned
away from in disgust. They will deal with you in hatred and take away everything you
have worked for. They will leave you stark
naked, and the shame of your prostitution
will be exposed. Your lewdness and
promiscuity have brought this on you, because you lusted after the nations and
defiled yourself with their idols. You have gone the way of your sister; so I will put her
cup into your hand.

“This is what the Sovereign LORD says:

“You will drink your sister’s cup, a cup large and deep; it will bring scorn and derision, for it holds so much. You will be filled with drunkenness and
sorrow, the cup of ruin and desolation,
the cup of your sister Samaria. You will drink it and drain it dry and chew on its pieces—
and you will tear your breasts.

I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.

“Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Since you have forgotten me and
turned your back on me, you must bear the
consequences of your lewdness and
prostitution.”

The LORD said to me: “Son of man, will you judge Oholah and Oholibah? Then
confront them with their detestable
practices, for they have committed adultery and blood is on their hands. They
committed adultery with their idols; they
even sacrificed their children, whom they
bore to me, as food for them. They have also done this to me: At that same time they
defiled my sanctuary and desecrated my
Sabbaths. On the very day they sacrificed their children to their idols, they
entered my sanctuary and desecrated it.
That is what they did in my house.

“They even sent messengers for men who came from far away, and when they arrived
you bathed yourself for them, applied eye
makeup and put on your jewelry. You sat on an elegant couch, with a table spread
before it on which you had placed the
incense and olive oil that belonged to me.

“The noise of a carefree crowd was around her; drunkards were brought from
the desert along with men from the rabble,
and they put bracelets on the wrists of the
woman and her sister and beautiful crowns
on their heads. Then I said about the one worn out by adultery, ‘Now let them use her
as a prostitute, for that is all she is.’ And they slept with her. As men sleep with a
prostitute, so they slept with those lewd
women, Oholah and Oholibah. But righteous judges will sentence them to the
punishment of women who commit adultery
and shed blood, because they are adulterous
and blood is on their hands.

“This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Bring a mob against them and give them over
to terror and plunder. The mob will stone them and cut them down with their swords;
they will kill their sons and daughters and
burn down their houses.

“So I will put an end to lewdness in the land, that all women may take warning and
not imitate you. You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the
consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then
you will know that I am the Sovereign
LORD.”
 
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Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
Where do you see a vagina being mentioned in there? Something tells me it's your own mind that's X-rated, not this part of the Bible.
 

muizz99

Sunni Muslim
I'm not attacking the bible. But I think in my opinion, the vagina is the pomegranate? Hahaha its just my opinion.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm not attacking the bible. But I think in my opinion, the vagina is the pomegranate? Hahaha its just my opinion.

The line says "I would give you spiced wine to drink, the nectar of my pomegranates.". Plural.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
The song of songs is definitely erotic poetry, but x-rated? I'm not so sure.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
It's certainly erotic!

"As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste."

It's strange to me that something like this would be in the OT.
 

McBell

Unbound
What was your point in creating this OP? Was there a debate topic?
I suspect he was expecting people to read the OP and go:
OMG!
There is porn in the Bible!
What should we do!
Oh dear god in heaven, what should we do!!
He seems a bit disappointed that not one single member had that kind of reaction...
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Song of Songs is some of the most beautifully crafted love poetry ever written. Rabbi Akiva said it was the most important book in the Tanach, though he was thinking of mystical interpretations, I believe, when he said so. And numerous great rabbis have come up with complex midrashic interpretations.

But several have also simply stated that it is of tremendous importance to have in the corpus of the Tanach a work that celebrates the beauty and joy and richness of the love between two people-- any two people, since the two lovers in Song of Songs are never named.

There is nothing pornographic about Song of Songs, though it is erotic. There is a difference.
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
Boring thread.. You could at-least quote Ezkiel to make it more interesting for the audience.
You know citing pornography (or erotic-texts) as a Muslim is forbidden right?
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
That text is about the joys of marital sex, after all.

You know, there's nothing in Song of Songs that says that the lovers are married. The term of affection achoti kallah, which tends to be overly-literally translated as "my sister, my bride," actually was idiomatic, and does not mean that the woman is literally his bride, any more than she was literally his sister. It's like in colloquial English, if I call a girl "my baby," I mean it as an endearing way of saying she is my girlfriend, not that she is literally my infant.

There were specific words used in Biblical Hebrew (and modern Hebrew also, for that matter) to signify a wife or a husband, and those words never appear in Song of Songs; whereas, in the rest of the Tanach, the text tends to be absolutely scrupulous in using them to indicate marital relationships.

I'm not saying it's 100% certain the lovers in Song of Songs were not married, I'm just saying there is no reason to think it is 100% certain that they were, either.
 
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