X-rated Pornography in the Bible?

[WyattDerp]

You know, there's nothing in Song of Songs that says that the lovers are married. The term of affection achoti kallah, which tends to be overly-literally translated as "my sister, my bride," actually was idiomatic, and does not mean that the woman is literally his bride, any more than she was literally his sister. It's like in colloquial English, if I call a girl "my baby," I mean it as an endearing way of saying she is my girlfriend, not that she is literally my infant.

Okay, but to me it's clearly about two people being rather significant others to each other. I personally find that more marriage-like than "technical" marriage. If that makes any sense, I think one should, if anything, legally marry the person one's heart is married to -- but that marriage of the heart comes before anything, and kind of makes legal marriage redundant. That's just a piece of paper after the fact..

But of course that's just personal opinion that wouldn't enter the "legality" of the text ^^ So thanks for clearing that up!

 

[Me Myself]

What is that difference?

"Porn" is supposed to not have any "artistic" merit...

Wait, read the oxford, no, that differenc eis not made there.

In any case, according to oxford it needs to be "explicit" which is of course, subjective.

There may have been a time when that was explicit, but I certainly dont read it as explicit.

 

[roger1440]

"Porn" is supposed to not have any "artistic" merit...

Wait, read the oxford, no, that differenc eis not made there.

In any case, according to oxford it needs to be "explicit" which is of course, subjective.

There may have been a time when that was explicit, but I certainly dont read it as explicit.

That's exactly my point. It's subjective. So what's the answer? It all it depends on who you ask and when. Is the Statue of David porn? You might find this interesting, LOL

Statue of David Exposes Himself to Terrified Residents in Shimane Town
"You wouldn’t think the Japanese would be the kind of people to get squeemish about a little Renaissance-era wang – what with all the bizarre porn and hyper-sexualizedteen girls – but the residents of a small Shimane Prefecture town (Okuizumo) are demanding that a local replica of the Statue of David be made more decent." Statue of David Exposes Himself to Terrified Residents in Shimane Town | Tokyo Desu

 

[Riverwolf]

That's exactly my point. It's subjective. So what's the answer? It all it depends on who you ask and when. Is the Statue of David porn? You might find this interesting, LOL

Statue of David Exposes Himself to Terrified Residents in Shimane Town
"You wouldn’t think the Japanese would be the kind of people to get squeemish about a little Renaissance-era wang – what with all the bizarre porn and hyper-sexualizedteen girls – but the residents of a small Shimane Prefecture town (Okuizumo) are demanding that a local replica of the Statue of David be made more decent." Statue of David Exposes Himself to Terrified Residents in Shimane Town | Tokyo Desu

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

Okay, I might have expected that from puritan America, or perhaps India, but JAPAN?!!?

Spoiler: Tanooki statue

That's just... wow.

 

[Pegg]

"May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine."

Its a beautiful way to speak about a beautiful love between a man and woman. The analogies being used are the things which were luxuries in ancient times. Wine, apples, grapes, pomegranets...these were crops which were prized and highly regarded.

Why can't women be highly regarded in this way without it being relegated to porn? This is what I really love about the bible...it doesnt hold to the typical taboos held to by people in general. It upholds things that many disregard and it especially upholds women as something to be cherished.

This in no way should be thought of as 'porn'... i mean, if you can't think of a woman in any other context except porn, there must be something mentally deficient in you.

 

[muizz99]

The line says "I would give you spiced wine to drink, the nectar of my pomegranates.". Plural.

Yeah! Thats what I'm talking about. Hahaha I can't stop laughing at this verses.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

"She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey's and emissions like those of a horse." Ezekiel 23:20

This is pornography.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Warning: Sexually explicit content.

Women's vaginas taste like "wine"

Nowhere does it say that..... Nor is this poem sexually explicit.

When Song of songs was written
people were just as capable of writing and appreciating beautiful love poetry as
we are today.
It expresses the beauty of love and desire between two people in a way that could not be bettered.
That it is found amongst the other songs and poems in the Old Testament seems entirely appropriate for a people who are not ashamed of their Humanity and love.

I appreciate that your own faith prefers to hide such such things from both yourselves and the world. But Christians and Jews do not fear expressions of love.
God is love.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Yeah! Thats what I'm talking about. Hahaha I can't stop laughing at this verses.

This is not smut to be giggled over in a school playground.
It is clear that you are not yet mature enough to appreciate the beauty of poetry.

Perhaps you should sit on the wall with the men of Isaiah 36-12

 

[muizz99]

I think, the porn is in the Ezekiel 23.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

"She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey's and emissions like those of a horse." Ezekiel 23:20

This is pornography.

This is not Pornography this is a parable.

For she doted upon their paramours,.... Or "concubines" (z); the neighbouring nations and allies of the Egyptians, whose friendship the Jews courted, and whose idols they served: the Septuagint and Arabic versions wrongly read the Chaldeans: whose flesh is as the flesh of *****, and whose issue is like the issue of horses; by "flesh" is meant the "membrum virile", which in ***** is very large, and therefore dedicated to Priapus by the Heathens; and vast is the profusion of seed in coitus by horses, to which the flesh and issue of the Egyptian paramours are compared; who were very libidinous, and therefore desirable to insatiable women; all which serves to express the eagerness of the people of the Jews after idolatry.

 

[Treks]

"She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey's and emissions like those of a horse." Ezekiel 23:20

This is pornography.

LMAO!!!

I had to look that up for myself just to make sure you weren't making that up. That's hilarious! It's incredibly excessive languge to use, especially since it's not meant to be about an actual woman but about a country (Jerusalem). http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2023&version=NLT

 

[muizz99]

This is not smut to be giggled over in a school playground.
It is clear that you are not yet mature enough to appreciate the beauty of poetry.

Perhaps you should sit on the wall with the men of Isaiah 36-12

Yeah your right! I'm not yet matured. I'm still 13 and my b-day is on august 14.

Isaiah 36:12

But the commander replied, "Was it only to your master and you that my master sent me to say these things, and not to the people sitting on the wall--who, like you, will have to eat their own excrement and drink their own urine?"

I can't drink my own urine. Even my s*m*n.

 

[Pegg]

LMAO!!!

I had to look that up for myself just to make sure you weren't making that up. That's hilarious! It's incredibly excessive languge to use, especially since it's not meant to be about an actual woman but about a country (Jerusalem). Ezekiel 23 NLT - The Adultery of Two Sisters - This - Bible Gateway

yes, Jerusalem is often spoken of as a woman, and God is her husband. And when the nation went to seek support or gain from foreign nations, the prophets would accuse the nation of harlotry and adultery.... so the language used is very explicit and it is supposed to be insulting because adultery and harlotry is very insulting to God.

 

[Pegg]

Yeah your right! I'm not yet matured. I'm still 13 and my b-day is on august 14.

im gobsmacked that you are even thinking about pornography at age 13


How do you even know about pornography????

 

[muizz99]

im gobsmacked that you are even thinking about pornography at age 13


How do you even know about pornography????

I just get it in an islamic site. (never mention the name) .. I didn't watch porn.

 

[Pegg]

I just get it in an islamic site. (never mention the name) .. I didn't watch porn.

so the men on that website are discussing this supposed 'porn' in the bible??? Seriously?

Did they also mention that it is that very same book which apparently prophesies the coming of Mohammad??? That is what Dr Nakim says about the 'song of Solomon'

 

[muizz99]

Deut 18:17-19

"And the Lord said unto me. They have well
spoken that which they have spoken, I will
raise them up a prophet from among their
brethren like unto thee, and will put my
words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto
them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not
hearken unto my words which he shall speak
in my name, I will require it of him."

The foretold prophet in this prophecy was not Jesus Christ , nor any other Israelite prophet, because none of them
ever claimed to be the prophet promised
here. We read in the Gospel of John
(1:19-21) that in the time of Jesus, the Jews
were expecting the advent of three
prophets. Firstly Elias, secondly Christ , thirdly a prophet of such universal fame that in his case no other specification
was thought necessary. "The Prophet" was
enough to convey what was meant. Jesus claimed to be the Christ and he regarded John the Baptist as Elias (Matthew
11:14, 17:10-13). Further, he prophesied
about his second advent in the last days
when true faith would disappear from the
earth (Luke 18:8).

 

[illykitty]

Well you are still young, perhaps once you are married you might appreciate the poetry a bit more... There's nothing wrong of thinking of a significant other in such ways. Because love is so hard to articulate and certain things like how beautiful something is, comparaison is made.

For example, if you said my cat's fur is as soft as cotton, it doesn't literally mean that it is cotton. It is a comparaison made so that most people would understand what a person feels when petting that cat. So in that time, fruits were a good way to communicate how great love was, because love is indeed sweet and precious. Obviously there's also praises of how someone looked, in the eyes of the lover and again, fruits were a good way to express what it looked like to them.

I'm not sure why these are in the bible specifically though. Perhaps people just thought it would be a good example of true love? IDK.

 

[muizz99]

"...The nectar of my pomegranate..."

Sounds d*l*ic*i**s .. Haha! ..