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Yadavas Hebrews farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Exactly. New evidence will arise only when we are open to them. That is what I am doing, So please don't flaunt the consensus-as-evidence line.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
I recall your saying that we must follow the consensus of the scholars. Thanks for the change.
If you think you've fooled anyone with your quote-mining and misrepresentation of what @IndigoChild5559 said, you're sorely mistaken.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Oh. Thank you for your blessings.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Which one?
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
The Saudi copy is at my other house. However, I attach a number of translations.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Do you remember saying "you got it from Saudi"? And now you say "The Saudi copy is at my house"?
Your screenshot is from The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran, which is a British project.
AND, do you think people drop in fear as soon as you drop the Saudi word? Mate. You don't know where I am from, but I know you are from India because you came here to promote and sell your unscholarly book. So don't think others are like you.
Saudi copy my foot.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Do you remember saying "you got it from Saudi"? And now you say "The Saudi copy is at my house"?
Your screenshot is from The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran, which is a British project.
AND, do you think people drop in fear as soon as you drop the Saudi word? Mate. You don't know where I am from, but I know you are from India because you came here to promote and sell your unscholarly book. So don't think others are like you.
Saudi copy my foot.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Excuse me? The answer didn't change. I added details to it, but I didn't change it. Go back and read what I posted again.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It is the EXPERTS who reach a new consensus by analyzing new evidence. Not me. Not you.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
That is tricky. There is then no way to reach truth if experts are wrong. You will be reckoned as a non.expert if you do not uphold the consensus. Consider political experts at the time of Hitler. The solution is to rely on the word of your inner God, not experts.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
You are misquoting me. I had said I recall. So nothing inconsistent with my other house.
Agree. So please enlighten me about the . West. Problem.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Yes. I did not say I have it with me. Apologies if I seemed to say otherwise.
Agree. So please enlighten me about the . West. Problem. I am happy to accept you as my teacher.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It's not that the experts are never wrong. Its that you and I lack the necessary knowledge to judge them. If you or I actually had that much information, we would be counted AMONG the experts. Do you have a PhD? I know I don't. If I ever put myself on par with an expert, please God smite me for my arrogance.
firedragon
Veteran Member
What west problem?
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Here is the Saudi translation from my other house.
Attachments
firedragon
Veteran Member
What west problem?
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Question is whether the word “west” used in Quran 28:44 refers to Prophet Muhammad or to Prophet Musa.
Q28:44
| wamā | kunta | bijānibi | al-gharbiyi | iz | qaḍaynā | ilā |
| And not | You were | On the side | west | when | We decreed | to |
| mūsā | al-amra | wamā | kunta | mina | al-shāhidīna |
| Musa | commandment | And not | You were | Among | Witnesses. |
Verse 28:43 says that Allah gave scripture to Musa which is followed by verse 28:44. Here the word “Kunta” in second person is used twice. Our suggestion is that the second person in the first “kunta” has been used for prophet Musa and the translation will be “prophet Musa was not near western side when we revealed him the command.” The second person in the second use of “kunta” in verse 44 refers to Prophet Muhammad because he was indeed not a witness to the giving of the scripture to Prophet Musa.
If we say that the word “Kunta” in both cases referred to Prophet Muhammad then in 28:44 the statement “you were not on the western side” becomes meaningless because Prophet Muhammad did not exist when the command was given to Prophet Musa. It is meaningless to say that Prophet Muhammad was not on the western side or not on the eastern side when he did not exist at all.
We can explain this by an example. Let us say a road accident took place. X was not present and Y was present. So Y would say to X “oh X you were not present when the accident took place and I am telling you about this”. X will not say to Y that “you were not present in the front when the accident took place” because Y was not there at all. Therefore, it is more plausible to associate first “Kunta” with Prophet Musa and second “Kunta” with Prophet Muhammad.
The implication is this, that prophet Musa was not near the western side when the command was given to him. This could mean that he was on the eastern side when the command was given to him and that could be in the Indus Valley.
firedragon
Veteran Member
What's the implication of either of the dichotomy?
What are you referring to as "eastern and western"?