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Yadavas Hebrews farmers. How come Jews thought Hebrews were slaves?
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
The fact that the person of Indian Origin are making in road into the rulership of UK. and USA only suggest that the person of Indian origin may have been the Jews.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Are you serious? You just contradicted yourself. It's either Arabia or east of Arabia. It can't be both.
The answer is Arabia, not east of Arabia.
And it wasn't revealed. It was written, same as every other book.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
ROFL no it doesn't mean that at all. OMG your "reasoning" is outrageous. It's like saying, "the fact that dogs exist in China and the UK suggests that dogs are monkeys."
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Learn a bit of english please. Full stop means another argument. Let me paraphrase because it seems to be difficult english for you. Revealed in Arabia. So discuss what lies to the east of arabia.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Why? Other countries lie east of arabia, west of arabia, north of arabia and south of arabia. Why is one direction more important than the other three?
The Tao Te Ching was written in China. What is east of China? And does it matter?
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
OMG. You haven't an inkling of the discussion. Quran 28.44 says Moses was not in the West. So East is special.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Oh good grief. The time span between Moses and the writing of the Torah is bad enough. Now tack onto that another millennium, and you think the Quran is going to be accurate?
Well, all I can say is, I was not aware you were Muslim.
But lets look at your passage. It says Moses was not in the west. West of what? The concept of the divide between Europe and and Asia being described as west and east did not exist at that time. I also don't think you can conclude that it means west of Arabia simply because the Quran was written in Arabia.
Second, a remark that Joe is not in the west does not automatically mean he's in the east. It could also mean he's right here.
Third, let's go with your idea that it means east of Arabia. That doesn't automatically mean India. Could be China. Could be a lot of other places.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Is that supported by archaeology, history or just by giving a nonsensical interpretation to what is written in some books without any authenticity?
And what is the authenticity of Qur'an? Word of Allah?
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IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
It's supported by nothing but his out of control Indian ethnocentrism. It's no different than when the English thought they were superior to everyone else because the sun never set on the British Empire, and to be honest, the English had a much better case.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
What is the test of authenticity?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Which can be proved with science/archaeology.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Which text passes this test?
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Well well Indigo I am not a Muslim. My interest in this entire matter is that I am of the view that Moses led the Exodus from the Indus Valley to Israel and I found this passage in the Quran to be very relevant when the Quran says that Moses was not in the west you are right it need not necessarily means that it is in the east but in the first view that is what we should assume unless there is reason to a think otherwise and it obviously cannot be here at the same because there is no evidence of Exodus from or of Moses in Arabia. So, it become very important that there is a Holy document that is saying that Moses was not in the west when he was commissioned to lead the Hebrews from Mizraim.
Now regarding the time between Moses and Torah you are right there may be many redaction or whatever but here we are talking about inspired text not getting into definition but I personally accept that certain text are inspired irrespective of when they were originally composed or whether they having some redactions. So, if there is a redaction we try to work around it and remove it but we don't dump the entire document into the waste of simply because it is older or newer because an old text may not be inspired while by later text may be inspired. So, Inspiration of text is more important rather than just the time of composition.
Once again when you say 'west of What' technically you are right, Quran does not says 'west of where' but at the same time our first guess should be west of where this matter was said. For example if I am in Chicago and I say New York is not on the west . The first assumption would be in the east but at the same time it also correct if one is to say New York is not on the west from in New Hemshire then it would be telling of untruth. So, let us accept that the Holy texts are inspired and let us try our most honest effort to understand them .
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Well that's a big problem. There is no test of "authenticity" for religious texts. So no one can prove that the Bible is the right one, or that the Quran is the right one, or the Book of Mormon, or the Vedas.....
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Yes, I was aware of that latter part for quite some time. And you already know that I think it is the worst sort of balogne, nothing but Indian supremacy. Its absolutely no different from an English guy feeling superior because he claims that the English are the lost tribes of Israel. Sorry, I just have no patience for racism.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Advaita Hinduism passes the science test. RigVeda passes the history test.
Bharat Jhunjhunwala
TruthPrevails
Let us keep our prejudices aside. Respond to Moses not in the West. That does not sound racist to you I hope
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Exactly, so stop it with the racist talk.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Okay. May I ask what you are? (Besides an Indian Supremacist.)