Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

[paarsurrey]

Well, perhaps one verse mentions that. There will be hundreds of verses, where Indra will be considered the creator and the ruler of all. Why don't you read this: http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/vedaread.htm, for more information on Aryans.
Secondly, please note that Aryans were migrants to India. Indigenous people had their own Gods and Goddesses and have continued to worship them even now. The Aryans too took up worshiping the indigenous Gods. Rama, Krishna, Shiva, Durga, Ganesha, Murugan, Hanuman and so many more are all old indigenous Gods. None of them is mentioned in the Vedas.
Our genealogy is termed as 'gotra', clan, patriline, which actually means 'cow pen' or a 'herd of cows'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotra
I belong to 'Bhoota Upamanyu' gotra. 'Bhoota Upamanyu' means the older, first Upamanyu. That is the name of my progenitor. There is historical evidence of an Aupmanyava before 700 BC. He was a Vedic grammarian and commentator. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aupamanyava
Aryans were something like this in the area extending from North of Caspian Sea to Southern Russia (Andronovo culture):

Now don't tell me that Aryans invaded my Indian-subcontinent and pushed the indigenous people to south-ward or the indigenous people had to take refuge in hilly areas or in the forests and jungles and or barren lands. Does one subscribe to such ideas? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Did the Aryans open the rout to invade the Indian-sub-continent that later many followed like Alexander or Mahmood Ghaznavi or Zahiruddin Babur and or later by sea by Lord Clive? I am not good at history though, so please do correct me, if you may.

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[paarsurrey]

The above picture shows a shepherd tending to the cow-herd on a horse-back perhaps in Europe.
The illustration in Yajurveda is a little, or more or the mostly different, it is not depicted as a lone shepherd as I see when I reach:

Yajurveda Chapter IX: 12-14

12. O' guardians of justice, advance thereby the knowledge of the
vedas, and the learned who protect them. Bring victory to the king
in the battle.
May ye be free in speech. O 1 guardians of justice, bring thereby
like the sun's beams victory to your commander in the battle. - May ye
grant to your king success in a wealth-producing pursuit. May this
your utterance of statesmanship be true. May ye be free in speech.
13. May I , the general, stout in body and soul, win the battle with
the help of God, in Whose universe reside the eternal causes, Who is
the giver of all affluence, the Illuminator c>f all, Supreme in knowledge,
and the Guardian of the Vedas. O active, learned persons, winners of
battle, see the enemies from a distance and go towards different direc-
tions to check their onward march.
14. Just as this fast horse bound by the neck, and at the flanks
and in the mouth, ever accelerating its speed, passes by the mile-stones,
with full force and goes to the army ; so does the cammander of the army,
with due orders, make it march on speedily.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Please draw a picture or a photo that fits/suits the words colored by me in magenta. Right?
Thanks and regards.



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[Satyamavejayanti]

Now don't tell me that Aryans invaded my Indian-subcontinent and pushed the indigenous people to south-ward or the indigenous people had to take refuge in hilly areas or in the forests and jungles and or barren lands. Does one subscribe to such ideas? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Did the Aryans open the rout to invade the Indian-sub-continent that later many followed like Alexander or Mahmood Ghaznavi or Zahiruddin Babur and or later by sea by Lord Clive? I am not good at history though, so please do correct me, if you may.

Regards

Namaste,

For once I actually agree with you on this "Aryan", Myth. I don't believe in this Racial idea of Aryans (originally it was linguistic then morphed into race), or that such a word even occurs in Sanskrit in the Samhita, or that this Aryan myth has any evidence from the texts, History, Archaeology, Linguistics, genetics ect ect.

As for your efforts to read the Yajur Veda according to Arya Samaj translations, May I ask have you read the Satyarth Prakasha of Maharishi Swami Dayananda Saraswati, who is the founder of the Arya Samaj?

 

[paarsurrey]

Namaste,
For once I actually agree with you on this "Aryan", Myth. I don't believe in this Racial idea of Aryans (originally it was linguistic then morphed into race), or that such a word even occurs in Sanskrit in the Samhita, or that this Aryan myth has any evidence from the texts, History, Archaeology, Linguistics, genetics ect ect.
As for your efforts to read the Yajur Veda according to Arya Samaj translations, May I ask have you read the Satyarth Prakasha of Maharishi Swami Dayananda Saraswati, who is the founder of the Arya Samaj?

Please suggest some other translation of Yajurveda, that you like. It was just a coincidence that when I searched for an online translation of Yajurveda, it was from Devi Chand that I now realize is from Arya Samaj, never-mind, I don't hate anybody, let it be from Arya Samaj, if it is. I see things from the perspective of Truth, not from the point of view of a single person or group of persons.
It is one aspect that I put forward a thread for debate while others don't see any point of debate to start with, but later a debate does ensue. Truth must prevail.
I have a great affinity to "Sanatana Dharmah", for a reason.
Regards

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"paarsurrey, post: 4835703, member: 37462"]

Namaste,

Please suggest some other translation of Yajurveda, that you like. It was just a coincidence that when I searched for an online translation of Yajurveda, it was from Devi Chand that I now realize is from Arya Samaj, never-mind, I don't hate anybody, let it be from Arya Samaj, if it is. I see things from the perspective of Truth, not from the point of view of a single person or group of persons.

I dont think there are complete Translations into English from many other Sampradayas, Aurobindo translates some Mantras, Vivekananda may have translated some in his works, the good Hindi translation i know of is Pundit Satyavalankar (not sure about spelling his name look it up). And of course we have the Orientalist/Indologist translations from griffith, whitney ect. I would recommend the Rigveda by HH Wilson, it is better then most.

It is one aspect that I put forward a thread for debate while others don't see any point of debate to start with, but later a debate does ensue. Truth must prevail.

Then again, in the spirit of truth, I ask, Have you read the Satyarth Prakasha (the light of truth), by Maharishi Swami Dayananda Saraswati?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Now don't tell me that Aryans invaded my Indian-subcontinent and pushed the indigenous people to south-ward or the indigenous people had to take refuge in hilly areas or in the forests and jungles and or barren lands. Does one subscribe to such ideas?
Did the Aryans open the rout to invade the Indian-sub-continent that later many followed like Alexander or Mahmood Ghaznavi or Zahiruddin Babur and or later by sea by Lord Clive?

Why do you take coming in of people as invasion? The Syrian refugees are not invaders in Europe. Similarly, Aryans were pushed to the South by Scythians in the North. They were migrants/refugees in India. I do not think many indigenous people left their homes. Have the Europeans left their homes? This coming and going, people searching for greener pastures has gone in all ages in all places. The Aryans adjusted well here, without much upheavals or wars. Even before Aryans, there were other migrants. Even Dravidians are supposed to have migrated into India via Mekran and Khyber some 40,000 years ago. Aryans did not make a new road, the road was already there. There were migrations from East also, that is why the slanted eyes of Bengalis and Assamese. India has always been a great place of refuge. And those who came here, stayed.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Please draw a picture or a photo that fits/suits the words colored by me in magenta.

I never use color, large fonts or bold the fonts in a forum. Normal is enough and less taxing on those who read the post. Here are verses from RigVeda, AtharvaVeda and Upanishads, which talk about four-footed and two-footed, a common expression in RigVeda, people and their cattle.

https://www.google.co.in/search?domains=www.sacred-texts.com&q=RV+four-footed+two-footed+RV&sitesearch=www.sacred-texts.com&sa=Search&client=pub-8617793260330971&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT:#008000;GL:1;DIV:#336699;VLC:663399;AH:center;BGC:FFFFFF;LBGC:336699;ALC:000000;LC:000000;T:0000FF;GFNT:0000FF;GIMP:0000FF;FORID:1;&hl=en&gws_rd=cr&ei=u2qZV4jfGIj4vATBoYG4CQ

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. I now realize is from Arya Samaj, .. I have a great affinity to "Sanatana Dharmah", for a reason.

Thanks for mentioning your interest in 'Sanatan Dharma'. I do not consider an Arya Samaj translation of Vedas as correct. That is why I prefer Griffith. Even if a little difficult to understand, it is still unbiased. That makes a lot of difference. I searched for a translation of YajurVeda, but I have not yet got hold of one which will satisfy me and is available on internet. I will let you know after some more search. But again, I will suggest that you start with Upanishads and not with Vedas. Ramayana, Srimad Bhagawat Purana, Tulsi Das' Ram Charit Manas are the books that one can start with. Bhagawat Gita also. It will not be correct if someone starts with YogaVashishtha. That is a difficult book which should be attempted at a later stage. The same is true of the Vedas.

Have you read the Satyarth Prakasha (the light of truth), by Maharishi Swami Dayananda Saraswati?

I think 'Satyartha Prakash' is a rabid hateful unintelligent book. It should be banned in India.

 

[paarsurrey]

Satyamavejayanti said: ↑
Have you read the Satyarth Prakasha (the light of truth), by Maharishi Swami Dayananda Saraswati?

I think 'Satyartha Prakash' is a rabid hateful unintelligent book. It should be banned in India.

Instead of banning the book, one should read Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's response to the issues mentioned in the book. One would get the real Truth.
I saw "Satyartha Prakash" in Urdu, if I remember correctly, might be its first edition with a red binding cover, in the personal library of my maternal Grandfather in the village, well that was about 60 years ago. I was just a child then. I was not impressed while going through it.
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, at least I have already found the truth and do not need to search for it anymore (no God, no soul, no heaven, no hell, no judgment). However, thanks for the suggestion.

 

[paarsurrey]

Why do you take coming in of people as invasion? The Syrian refugees are not invaders in Europe. Similarly, Aryans were pushed to the South by Scythians in the North. They were migrants/refugees in India. I do not think many indigenous people left their homes. Have the Europeans left their homes? This coming and going, people searching for greener pastures has gone in all ages in all places. The Aryans adjusted well here, without much upheavals or wars. Even before Aryans, there were other migrants. Even Dravidians are supposed to have migrated into India via Mekran and Khyber some 40,000 years ago. Aryans did not make a new road, the road was already there. There were migrations from East also, that is why the slanted eyes of Bengalis and Assamese. India has always been a great place of refuge. And those who came here, stayed.

It is because I get the picture of it in my mind as illustrated by Yajurveda in many a verse.
I get that B.G.Tilak had a certain view on it that you differ with , I never read any of his books. Would you like to elaborate his and your viewpoints? Jews and Aryans are arrogant/religious obsessed races, if they forego their racial obsession, I have no problem with them.
Quran solves the "nobility" aspect convincingly.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Well, at least I have already found the truth and do not need to search for it anymore (no God, no soul, no heaven, no hell, no judgment). However, thanks for the suggestion.

Never-mind, please
Have a good day!
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

"It is one aspect that I put forward a thread for debate while others don't see any point of debate to start with, but later a debate does ensue. Truth must prevail."

Then again, in the spirit of truth, I ask, Have you read the Satyarth Prakasha (the light of truth), by Maharishi Swami Dayananda Saraswati?

Please read post #29 in this connection.
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...ee-to-that-battle”.189446/page-2#post-4836229
Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

I get that B.G.Tilak had a certain view on it that you differ with, .. I never read any of his books. Would you like to elaborate his and your viewpoints? Jews and Aryans are arrogant/religious obsessed races, if they forego their racial obsession, I have no problem with them.

I would not comment on Jews, but Indian Aryans were not arrogant. Aryan prayers are the most beautiful and wish for universal welfare. It is because you have read hardly anything other than perhaps Quran and Bible that you say so. I have no difference with views of Lokmanya Bal Gangadhar Tilak. I accept his theory of original Aryan home in far North (somewhere in the polar regions).

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

Thanks for mentioning your interest in 'Sanatan Dharma'. I do not consider an Arya Samaj translation of Vedas as correct. That is why I prefer Griffith. Even if a little difficult to understand, it is still unbiased. That makes a lot of difference. I searched for a translation of YajurVeda, but I have not yet got hold of one which will satisfy me and is available on internet. I will let you know after some more search. But again, I will suggest that you start with Upanishads and not with Vedas. Ramayana, Srimad Bhagawat Purana, Tulsi Das' Ram Charit Manas are the books that one can start with. Bhagawat Gita also. It will not be correct if someone starts with YogaVashishtha. That is a difficult book which should be attempted at a later stage. The same is true of the Vedas.I think 'Satyartha Prakash' is a rabid hateful unintelligent book. It should be banned in India.

Namaste,

While I don't think the Satyartha is "rabid and hateful', nor should it be banned, the point is to understand the context of the translations that our friend Paarsurrey is engaged into.

I do consider Griffith translations as "unintelligible", but that does not mean I want it banned or not read.

Dhanyavad

 

[Satyamavejayanti]

"paarsurrey".

Namaste,

Good, so you understand the historical context and the interpretations of the Devi Chand Translations. Hope you understand that these translations are not the be all and end all meanings to the Vedas.

Dhanyavad

 

[Aupmanyav]

I believe 'Satyartha Prakash' was written to counter Christian missionaries. It was a sort of "Answering Islam" for its age. It is not scholarship.

 

[paarsurrey]

There is a lot more in Yajurveda in line with the peaceful/Ahimsa in line with the #1 :

Chapter 1:28-29

28. O Almighty Lord Tbpu, hast suspended in space near Moon,
this Earth, full of foodstuffs, and producer of all the life-giving substances
for the living creatures. May the learned of refined intellect, full of
happiness, residing upon it, the well-wisher of all. abiding by Thy eternal
laws, conquer all foes waging severe fight with the aid of warriors and arms,
thus attain to power. O learned person, just as from times immemorial the
dutiful have been acquiring wealth, so do thou full of wealth worship God.
Let evil be eradicated.

29. The wicked should be removed, the enemies of truth should be
punished ; those fit to be shackled should be cast aside and those opposed
to knowledge should come to grief. Oh destroyer of foes, Thou art not
wrathful, I prepare thee full of virility for battle.

Those who can't tolerate the good of others must be chastised,
and openly condemned. Those who cause harm to others should be
humiliated. I duly instruct the army to be strong for weakening the foe,
and waging war.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

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[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “we goad thee to that battle”

Still more to share with the friend in the Forum from Yajurveda:

Yajurveda Chapter 13: Verse 36

36. O learned, powerful person, verily harness thou thy steeds,
whicK are well disciplined and trained, and carry the conveyance with
full force in thy attacks on the foe with righteous indignation.​

https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Please
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[paarsurrey]

I believe 'Satyartha Prakash' was written to counter Christian missionaries. It was a sort of "Answering Islam" for its age. It is not scholarship.

I agree with you here. Please
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