Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Yajurveda CHAPTER IX

10. May I realise in this world, the nature of God free from pain
and full of delight ; Who is lustrous, and generator of the universe.
Whose cause and effect of the universe are true ; Who nourishes all
material objects, and is most high. May I rise, through the prosperity,
and excellent gifts of the king, the creator of riches, the giver of
comforts, and dispenser of justice.
May I rise through the highest pleasure I obtain from the know-
ledge imparted by my learned preceptor, the giver of imperishable
knowledge, the embodiment of noble attributes and actions ; and the
encyclopaedia of learning.
May I rise through the victory-giving battle, and the persuasion
of the commander, the subduer of wicked foes, the inciter to victory
over opponents, the expert in the science of military warfare, the dis-
penser of justice and full of humility.
11. O' preacher, acquire knowledge. Let the learned speak to
thee the ennobling language of the vedas. May they impart knowledge
to the instructor.
O' king win the battle. May the learned speak to thee the langu-
age of the duty of kingship, and bring victory to thee.
12. O' guardians of justice, advance thereby the knowledge of the
vedas, and the learned who protect them. Bring victory to the king
in the battle.
May ye be free in speech. O 1 guardians of justice, bring thereby
like the sun's beams victory to your commander in the battle. - May ye
grant to your king success in a wealth-producing pursuit. May this
your utterance of statesmanship be true. May ye be free in speech.
13. May I , the general, stout in body and soul, win the battle with
the help of God, in Whose universe reside the eternal causes, Who is
the giver of all affluence, the Illuminator of all, Supreme in knowledge,
and the Guardian of the Vedas. O active, learned persons, winners of
battle, see the enemies from a distance and go towards different direc-
tions to check their onward march.
14. Just as this fast horse bound by the neck, and at the flanks
and in the mouth, ever accelerating its speed, passes by the mile-stones,
with full force and goes to the army ; so does the cammander of the army,
with due orders, make it march on speedily.

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• Prosperity is sought with battles, no mention of peace, Ahimsa, or non-violence.

• Also note that a follower of Veda/Yajurveda becomes pure and holy by following the commands in Veda/Yajurveda see post #115 . Is it favoring Atheism or Strong Atheism? It is not. Right? Please

• Those who have one leg in one boat of Atheism and the other leg in Dharma boat should please note that if they don't worship God they will get to harm ,in terms of the Verse 32 chapter 1 of Yajurveda given in post #117 . Right? Please

The battles/wars of the Veda people were with the irreligious, they might be pagans or Atheism/Agnosticism of those days. Right? Please #211​

• The basic character of a believer mentioned in the Veda is not of peace but war only due to the collaboration of the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas against the lower classes and the untouchables.All such verses need to be compressed and only some given in every chapter as representative of so many, many many more. Right? Please

Is it peaceful? Please
Who were these millions of enemies? Please name them. #153
Did this battle happen before migration to the Indian-sub-Continent? Please
Or if the Veda people were natives of the Indian-sub-Continents, then the must have lived in it. Please identify them. Is it unreasonable to ask such questions? Please
Is purity being sought for winning the battle only? Please
Did the Vedic people win these battles/war or were got defeated? Please
There were four types of warriors, please name them. #211
Was the above classification of four types of warriors made in the Arctic, in the steppes ,in the Indian-sub-Continent, in Australia or in Africa or elsewhere in the world? Please
As per Veda/Yajurveda, it was a religious war. "Being ever wary, endowed with a religious bent of mind". Post #219
Right? Please

Regards

 

[Aupmanyav]

Do some research yourself if it is interesting for you. Why ask others?

 

[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Yajurveda CHAPTER IX

15. O' Government officials, he alone can conquer the foes, who
marches speedily according to plan, on well constructed roads, with
equipment and firm determination like the wings of a fast flying bird,
the falcon that soars high desirous of prey, and the fleeting horse.
16. May the heroes expert in the science of warfare, marching
uniformly, well respected and well fed, breaking the bodies of strong
thieves and rascals, attain to everlasting happiness in battles, through the
deeds of us the learned. May they banish for us all disease-like foes.
17. The state officials, who are advanced in knowledge, listeners
of religious books, full of wisdom, masters of their subjects, seekers after
different branches of knowledge, lovers of their souls, leaders of social
life, and acquirers of mighty wealth in battles, should all, listen to our
learned discussions.
18. O' truthful, aged, steadfast and wise officials, protect us in
each fray. Enjoy the reward of victory in the battle. Be joyful, be
satisfied. Tread on paths, which sages are wont to tread.
19. May I get in full, bounteous wealth of knowledge. May I get
sovereignty over Heaven and Earth, in which reside all shining objects.
May I get the knowledge of healing medicines. May I obtain learned
father and mother.
Ye, mighty warriors, winners of battles, going to the battle-field,
purified in heart, obey the orders of your general.
20. For the attainment of full knowledge, noble deeds ; for the
attainment of happiness, religious life ; for the attainment of definite
object, activity, for the advancement of wisdom, the habit of reading and
teaching, for retention of knowledge, truthful speech ; for arithmetical meas-
urement of day, the science of arithmetic ; for checking the waste of time
in infatuation, a word of wisdom ; for the fool who revels in vice,
a word of caution ; for the degraded, wicked soul, advice to ward off
evil deeds ; for the strong person amongst the low and despicable, speech
revealing the true nature of things ; for the attainment of God, the Lord
of the universe, the knowledge of yoga; for the king, the knowledge
of all affairs, are essential.
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• Prosperity is sought with battles, no mention of peace, Ahimsa, or non-violence.

• Also note that a follower of Veda/Yajurveda becomes pure and holy by following the commands in Veda/Yajurveda see post #115 . Is it favoring Atheism or Strong Atheism? It is not. Right? Please

• Those who have one leg in one boat of Atheism and the other leg in Dharma boat should please note that if they don't worship God they will get to harm ,in terms of the Verse 32 chapter 1 of Yajurveda given in post #117 . Right? Please

The battles/wars of the Veda people were with the irreligious, they might be pagans or Atheism/Agnosticism of those days. Right? Please #211​

• The basic character of a believer mentioned in the Veda is not of peace but war only due to the collaboration of the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas against the lower classes and the untouchables.All such verses need to be compressed and only some given in every chapter as representative of so many, many many more. Right? Please

Is it peaceful? Please
Who were these millions of enemies? Please name them. #153
Did this battle happen before migration to the Indian-sub-Continent? Please
Or if the Veda people were natives of the Indian-sub-Continents, then the must have lived in it. Please identify them. Is it unreasonable to ask such questions? Please
Is purity being sought for winning the battle only? Please
Did the Vedic people win these battles/war or were got defeated? Please
There were four types of warriors, please name them. #211
Was the above classification of four types of warriors made in the Arctic, in the steppes ,in the Indian-sub-Continent, in Australia or in Africa or elsewhere in the world? Please
As per Veda/Yajurveda, it was a religious war. "Being ever wary, endowed with a religious bent of mind". Post #219 It cannot be in metaphor, as the words "acquirers of mighty wealth in battles" depicts it must be taken literal. #223
Right? Please

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Yajurveda CHAPTER XI

14. O friends, in every deed and battle, we call for succour, our
King, the mightiest of all.
15. O King, thou whose paths are pleasant, with thy powerful
and devoted army, come, destroying the forces of thy wicked foes. Come,
overtaking the territories of the enemies. Spreading gladness all around,
accept the chieftainship of thy commander of the army, who makes the
enemies weep. Granting fearlessness to all thy subjects, speed through
the wide air.
16. O learned person, just as we skillfully evolve from a part of
the earth, electricity, dear as breath, and the giver of comfort, and just
as we procure atmospheric electricity, dear as breath, and the giver of
comfort, so shouldst thou skillfully prepare electricity which like the
sun conduces to our comforts.
17. The first and foremost God illuminates the sun before twilight.
He also illuminates the days, and multiple beams of the sun. He alone
establishes the Heaven and Earth.
18. O learned King, just as a swift horse, having started on his
way, causes terror in all battles, and just as a householder wants to see
with his eyes, fire arranged in a beautiful place, so shouldst thou shake
all battles and spread knowledge to each house.
19. O learned King, according to thy desire, trample upon the
foes, hanker after sovereignty and knowledge, and having accepted us as
thy subjects on the earth, instruct us in geology and electricity ; so that
we may use that knowledge.
20. O learned King, thy humility and dealings are resplendent
like the sun, thy seat is firm like the Earth, thy soul is indestructible,
like the space, thy goal is vast like the ocean. Having measured thy
strength carefully attack the enemy with thy army.
21. O prosperous, learned person, just as we, the givers of wealth,
from the surrounding of each dwelling place of ours, exploring the
science of fire, acquire wisdom for worldly prosperity, so shouldst thou
elevate thy self.
22. O learned geologist, wealth-giver, just as a strong horse jumps
up, so should'st thou attain to greatness in this world; acquire absolute,
beautiful happiness free from pain, derivable from a saintly life. May we,
in the enjoyment of happiness, explore the pervading electricity full of
brilliance.
23. O seeker after knowledge, just as I with learning and ghee,
clearly manifest the properties of air, that pervades all substances, that
moves transversely, is vast in vitality, highly powerful with the oblations
of corn, vast in velocity, and visible, so I make thee also understand the
properties of air.

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• Prosperity is sought with battles, no mention of peace, Ahimsa, or non-violence.

• Also note that a follower of Veda/Yajurveda becomes pure and holy by following the commands in Veda/Yajurveda see post #115 . Is it favoring Atheism or Strong Atheism? It is not. Right? Please

• Those who have one leg in one boat of Atheism and the other leg in Dharma boat should please note that if they don't worship God they will get to harm ,in terms of the Verse 32 chapter 1 of Yajurveda given in post #117 . Right? Please

The battles/wars of the Veda people were with the irreligious, they might be pagans or Atheism/Agnosticism of those days. Right? Please #211​

• The basic character of a believer mentioned in the Veda is not of peace but war only due to the collaboration of the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas against the lower classes and the untouchables.All such verses need to be compressed and only some given in every chapter as representative of so many, many many more. Right? Please

Is it peaceful? Please
Who were these millions of enemies? Please name them. #153
Did this battle happen before migration to the Indian-sub-Continent? Please
Or if the Veda people were natives of the Indian-sub-Continents, then the must have lived in it. Please identify them. Is it unreasonable to ask such questions? Please
Is purity being sought for winning the battle only? Please
Did the Vedic people win these battles/war or were got defeated? Please
There were four types of warriors, please name them. #211
Was the above classification of four types of warriors made in the Arctic, in the steppes ,in the Indian-sub-Continent, in Australia or in Africa or elsewhere in the world? Please
As per Veda/Yajurveda, it was a religious war. "Being ever wary, endowed with a religious bent of mind". Post #219 It cannot be in metaphor, as the words "acquirers of mighty wealth in battles" depicts it must be taken literal. #223
Please note the words "overtaking the territories of the enemies" "sovereignty" "causes terror in all battles", territorial expansion and gaining worldly sovereignty is the purpose of all these battles and also "worldly prosperity". #224
Right? Please

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Yajurveda CHAPTER XI
33. O King, may the noble pupil of the harmless scholar, having
mastered the comforts-giving objects like electricity, possessing the
knowledge of the vedas, and master of all sciences, make thee, the killer
of foes, and breaker of their forts, shine.
34. O warrior, thou art well equipped with food-stuffs and water,
and imbued with valour. May the army of heroes, with the teach-
ing of the art of government illuminate thee, the destroyer of the wicked
and winner of wealth in every battle-field.

https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt

• Prosperity is sought with battles, no mention of peace, Ahimsa, or non-violence.

• Also note that a follower of Veda/Yajurveda becomes pure and holy by following the commands in Veda/Yajurveda see post #115 . Is it favoring Atheism or Strong Atheism? It is not. Right? Please

• Those who have one leg in one boat of Atheism and the other leg in Dharma boat should please note that if they don't worship God they will get to harm ,in terms of the Verse 32 chapter 1 of Yajurveda given in post #117 . Right? Please

The battles/wars of the Veda people were with the irreligious, they might be pagans or Atheism/Agnosticism of those days. Right? Please #211​

• The basic character of a believer mentioned in the Veda is not of peace but war only due to the collaboration of the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas against the lower classes and the untouchables.All such verses need to be compressed and only some given in every chapter as representative of so many, many many more. Right? Please

Is it peaceful? Please
Who were these millions of enemies? Please name them. #153
Did this battle happen before migration to the Indian-sub-Continent? Please
Or if the Veda people were natives of the Indian-sub-Continents, then they must have lived in it. Please identify them. Is it unreasonable to ask such questions? Please
Is purity being sought for winning the battle only? Please
Did the Vedic people win these battles/war or were got defeated? Please
There were four types of warriors, please name them. #211
Was the above classification of four types of warriors made in the Arctic, in the steppes ,in the Indian-sub-Continent, in Australia or in Africa or elsewhere in the world? Please
As per Veda/Yajurveda, it was a religious war. "Being ever wary, endowed with a religious bent of mind". Post #219 It cannot be in metaphor, as the words "acquirers of mighty wealth in battles" depicts it must be taken literal. #223 Please note the words "overtaking the territories of the enemies" "sovereignty" "causes terror in all battles", territorial expansion and gaining worldly sovereignty is the purpose of all these battles and also "worldly prosperity". #224 Battles/wars were fought for being "winner of wealth" . Please note the words "the killer of foes, and breaker of their forts".#225
Right? Please

Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

Peace in the Vedas is like water in the ocean.

 

[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Yajurveda CHAPTER XI


49. O husband, resplendent with thy wide-extending strength,
chastise the voluptuous, and degraded women, painful to mankind like
fell diseases. May I remain in your comfortable house, as the wife of
one, highly graceful, pure in dealings, and lustrous like fire.
50. O wives, be pure and sweet like waters, and full of happi-
ness. Stick to us steadfastly, for energy, valour, and highly memorable
battle-fields.
51. O wives, we have got to perform a highly pleasant, joyful
duty in this domestic life. Just as mothers in their longing love feed the
child, so should ye perform it in a spirit of love and devotion.
52. O wives, calm like waters, be contented in our house, and
rear good sons. May we nobly attain to ye.
53. O husband, friend unto all, for the health of the people, with
the aid of knowledge, justice and instruction, having determined the
earth and space, thou givest me pleasure : I bring fame unto thee, master
of the vedas, and enjoying good reputation.
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Where were these battlefield located? Please

• Prosperity is sought with battles, no mention of peace, Ahimsa, or non-violence.

• Also note that a follower of Veda/Yajurveda becomes pure and holy by following the commands in Veda/Yajurveda see post #115 . Is it favoring Atheism or Strong Atheism? It is not. Right? Please

• Those who have one leg in one boat of Atheism and the other leg in Dharma boat should please note that if they don't worship God they will get to harm ,in terms of the Verse 32 chapter 1 of Yajurveda given in post #117 . Right? Please

The battles/wars of the Veda people were with the irreligious, they might be pagans or Atheism/Agnosticism of those days. Right? Please #211​

• The basic character of a believer mentioned in the Veda is not of peace but war only due to the collaboration of the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas against the lower classes and the untouchables.All such verses need to be compressed and only some given in every chapter as representative of so many, many many more. Right? Please

Is it peaceful? Please
Who were these millions of enemies? Please name them. #153
Did this battle happen before migration to the Indian-sub-Continent? Please
Or if the Veda people were natives of the Indian-sub-Continents, then they must have lived in it. Please identify them. Is it unreasonable to ask such questions? Please
Is purity being sought for winning the battle only? Please
Did the Vedic people win these battles/war or were got defeated? Please
There were four types of warriors, please name them. #211
Was the above classification of four types of warriors made in the Arctic, in the steppes ,in the Indian-sub-Continent, in Australia or in Africa or elsewhere in the world? Please
As per Veda/Yajurveda, it was a religious war. "Being ever wary, endowed with a religious bent of mind". Post #219 It cannot be in metaphor, as the words "acquirers of mighty wealth in battles" depicts it must be taken literal. #223 Please note the words "overtaking the territories of the enemies" "sovereignty" "causes terror in all battles", territorial expansion and gaining worldly sovereignty is the purpose of all these battles and also "worldly prosperity". #224 Battles/wars were fought for being "winner of wealth" . Please note the words "the killer of foes, and breaker of their forts".#225
Right? Please

Regards

 

[Kirran]

 

[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Yajurveda CHAPTER XII

33. He alone is fit to rule, who spreads knowledge, and administers
justice, kills the foes, roars like the lightning, protects the forest trees,
wages battles on the earth, is expert in statesmanship, and endowed with
noble qualities, speedily preaches religion, keeps with his power under
control, the Sun and Earth, and spreads around his lustre.

34. He should be put at the head of the army, who, full of brilli-
ance, shines like the sun with lofty splendour, stands with the officers in
our battles ; is loved by the learned, constantly on tour, full of bliss, the
advocate of learning and religion, and known as the protector of the State.

35. O learned persons, take in wedlock the girls, who like the
pure water are full of vast intellect and learning, good-looking and well-
behaved, full of glory, please their husbands in their beautiful homes; and
make them happy and contented. Just as the beautiful and well educated
wives bow unto you, so should you bow unto them. The husband and
wife should love this child like life, as a mother does her son.
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As is expressly mentioned in this chapter XII verse 33, Veda talks of the battles that are "waged" on the "earth" ,for speedily spreading of religion and for killing the foes. Right? Please

Where were these battlefield located? Please #227

• Prosperity is sought with battles, no mention of peace, Ahimsa, or non-violence.

• Also note that a follower of Veda/Yajurveda becomes pure and holy by following the commands in Veda/Yajurveda see post #115 . Is it favoring Atheism or Strong Atheism? It is not. Right? Please

• Those who have one leg in one boat of Atheism and the other leg in Dharma boat should please note that if they don't worship God they will get to harm ,in terms of the Verse 32 chapter 1 of Yajurveda given in post #117 . Right? Please

The battles/wars of the Veda people were with the irreligious, they might be pagans or Atheism/Agnosticism of those days. Right? Please #211​

• The basic character of a believer mentioned in the Veda is not of peace but war only due to the collaboration of the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas against the lower classes and the untouchables.All such verses need to be compressed and only some given in every chapter as representative of so many, many many more. Right? Please

Is it peaceful? Please
Who were these millions of enemies? Please name them. #153
Did this battle happen before migration to the Indian-sub-Continent? Please
Or if the Veda people were natives of the Indian-sub-Continents, then they must have lived in it. Please identify them. Is it unreasonable to ask such questions? Please
Is purity being sought for winning the battle only? Please
Did the Vedic people win these battles/war or were got defeated? Please
There were four types of warriors, please name them. #211
Was the above classification of four types of warriors made in the Arctic, in the steppes ,in the Indian-sub-Continent, in Australia or in Africa or elsewhere in the world? Please
As per Veda/Yajurveda, it was a religious war. "Being ever wary, endowed with a religious bent of mind". Post #219 It cannot be in metaphor, as the words "acquirers of mighty wealth in battles" depicts it must be taken literal. #223 Please note the words "overtaking the territories of the enemies" "sovereignty" "causes terror in all battles", territorial expansion and gaining worldly sovereignty is the purpose of all these battles and also "worldly prosperity". #224 Battles/wars were fought for being "winner of wealth" . Please note the words "the killer of foes, and breaker of their forts".#225
Right? Please

Regards

 

[Vinayaka]

Now that's a cheesy comment.

 

[Vinayaka]

Right? Please

Regards

But just how does this show that the Koran is superiour to the Vedas, and that Ammadiyya Islam is the most superiour school in Islam? I don't see the correlation. Since that is what your goal is, then you need to get on a different horse.

 

[Jainarayan]

then you need to get on a different horse.

You're just waiting for me to make a comment about Jes... about Jes... nope, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna say a word about Jesus's horse.

 

[Vinayaka]

And so it was he refused the horse, so graciously offered to him by the wise men of the east, greeting him with not a simple chariot, but an actual breathing horse, a furry one with extraordinary lengthy ears fitting for a hare. He continued on his journey on foot, as he had since crossing the Euphrates, where the loyal donkey had passed, (drowning). But the horse, feeling rejected at not being called upon to serve the Lord, turned and spoke:

"Lord, why hast thou forsaken me?"

The Lord shrugged.

The horse, thus saddened and disheartened to the point of needing Prozac, slowly wanderwed home, to the Vedic Steppes, and there he informed his owners, "I am a sad horse, and I feel it is time to end this sojourn of this soul on this planet." So the tribe built a huge fire, as cremation was the order of the day, not to mention the heat it gave to tolerate the cold Arctic temperature.

And thus began the custom of Vedic horse sacrifice.

(See, it all makes sense now.)

 

[Kirran]

Now that's a cheesy comment.

Haha, oh dear! You went and said it.

But just how does this show that the Koran is superiour to the Vedas, and that Ammadiyya Islam is the most superiour school in Islam? I don't see the correlation. Since that is what your goal is, then you need to get on a different horse.

He can try the one I provided on a different thread.

Tbh, I think he's trying to convince us the Vedas are teaching Islam but can't see clearly enough beyond his own perceptions to think that we might value different things to him. This makes his attempts to convince us rather ineffectual.

 

[Vinayaka]

Tbh, I think he's trying to convince us the Vedas are teaching Islam but can't see clearly enough beyond his own perceptions to think that we might value different things to him. This makes his attempts to convince us rather ineffectual.

You are most likely correct, after all you were probably named after the Koran. Right?

(I am not sure as to motive. It seems to me that a duty, in the sense it is taught in non-dharmic paradigms, is to spread the word, and that can mean in any way possible. He's bound to not promote violence in any way, being Ammadiyya, but I think the whole idea of undermining non-Islam scriptures fails miserably when your audience suspects this as a hidden motive.)

 

[Jainarayan]

Tbh, I think he's trying to convince us the Vedas are teaching Islam

Oh, you missed the thread in which it was purported that the Sanskrit word alla comes from Arabic and is cognate with Allah. Let us set aside the fact that Sanskrit allā means 'mother', accent is on the first syllable with a short a, and Arabic Allah comes from 'il lah', the god. So yeah, the Vedas are Islamic.

 

[Vinayaka]

Oh, you missed the thread

He didn't Riyadh that one.

 

[paarsurrey]

Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”

Yajurveda CHAPTER XII

50. O wives, be pure and sweet like waters, and full of happi-
ness. Stick to us steadfastly, for energy, valour, and highly memorable
battle-fields.

56. O men and women, just as all vedic sacred speech, deep like
the sea, protector of the vedas and noble souls, master of supremacy,
magnifies on battlefields, the best amongst the warriors, and adds to his
glory, so shouldst ye magnify all.

66. Just as the sun wages fight with the clouds, to make them rain, so should a true
Grihasthi wage war with the enemies in a battle and subdue them. He should be brave like
a warrior, and not timid. Ju?t as God, with His constant law creates the universe, and
protects all men, so should the husband always remain in the company of his wife for her
portection and behave properly towards her.

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Not only men but women are also actively involved in the battles, battlefields and wars. Please

As is expressly mentioned in this chapter XII verse 33, Veda talks of the battles that are "waged" on the "earth" ,for speedily spreading of religion and for killing the foes. Right? Please #229

Where were these battlefield located? Please #227

• Prosperity is sought with battles, no mention of peace, Ahimsa, or non-violence.

• Also note that a follower of Veda/Yajurveda becomes pure and holy by following the commands in Veda/Yajurveda see post #115 . Is it favoring Atheism or Strong Atheism? It is not. Right? Please

• Those who have one leg in one boat of Atheism and the other leg in Dharma boat should please note that if they don't worship God they will get to harm ,in terms of the Verse 32 chapter 1 of Yajurveda given in post #117 . Right? Please

The battles/wars of the Veda people were with the irreligious, they might be pagans or Atheism/Agnosticism of those days. Right? Please #211​

• The basic character of a believer mentioned in the Veda is not of peace but war only due to the collaboration of the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas against the lower classes and the untouchables.All such verses need to be compressed and only some given in every chapter as representative of so many, many many more. Right? Please

Is it peaceful? Please
Who were these millions of enemies? Please name them. #153
Did this battle happen before migration to the Indian-sub-Continent? Please
Or if the Veda people were natives of the Indian-sub-Continents, then they must have lived in it. Please identify them. Is it unreasonable to ask such questions? Please
Is purity being sought for winning the battle only? Please
Did the Vedic people win these battles/war or were got defeated? Please
There were four types of warriors, please name them. #211
Was the above classification of four types of warriors made in the Arctic, in the steppes ,in the Indian-sub-Continent, in Australia or in Africa or elsewhere in the world? Please
As per Veda/Yajurveda, it was a religious war. "Being ever wary, endowed with a religious bent of mind". Post #219 It cannot be in metaphor, as the words "acquirers of mighty wealth in battles" depicts it must be taken literal. #223 Please note the words "overtaking the territories of the enemies" "sovereignty" "causes terror in all battles", territorial expansion and gaining worldly sovereignty is the purpose of all these battles and also "worldly prosperity". #224 Battles/wars were fought for being "winner of wealth" . Please note the words "the killer of foes, and breaker of their forts".#225
Right? Please

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[Satyamavejayanti]

paarsurrey,

Namaste,

It would be easy to respond if you ask one question and stick to it before jumping around and posting 10 Mantras with 20 questions.

I will respond to each as best as i can, but please don't jump around so much it becomes confusing as to what exactly is the intent of your questions.

And before posting more copy paste Mantras can you show some respect at least and respond to our answers.

Not only men but women are also actively involved in the battles, battlefields and wars. Please

Yes this is correct, Women are not considered inferior in the Veda and are free to be in the defense force. This is evident from Hindu History of many Female warriors who fought against Muslim colonizers and British invaders.

As is expressly mentioned in this chapter XII verse 33, Veda talks of the battles that are "waged" on the "earth" ,for speedily spreading of religion and for killing the foes. Right? Please #229

This is a incorrect interpretation, as the Devta of the Mantra is Agni, this is not about waging wars on earth but about the power of Agni, see Tulsi Rams translation of this Mantra and you will not find a single Verse that proclaims war for prosperity.

Where were these battlefield located? Please #227

Chapter 11, Mantra Devtas are Many, in taken in context the Metaphorical battles are in ones own life, Mantras 14 and 15 are subject to warriors/commanders and defense force only not for civilians.

• Prosperity is sought with battles, no mention of peace, Ahimsa, or non-violence.

Wrong, both means are used to gain prosperity.

• Also note that a follower of Veda/Yajurveda becomes pure and holy by following the commands in Veda/Yajurveda see post #115 . Is it favoring Atheism or Strong Atheism? It is not. Right? Please

Chapter 2 Mantra 14 has Agni as Devta, nowhere is there mention of following Veda, in the Mantra Agni is worshiped to gain Knowledge no mention of following Veda Samhita.

• Those who have one leg in one boat of Atheism and the other leg in Dharma boat should please note that if they don't worship God they will get to harm ,in terms of the Verse 32 chapter 1 of Yajurveda given in post #117 . Right? Please

Incorrect reference again, Chapter one does not have 32 Mantras.

The battles/wars of the Veda people were with the irreligious, they might be pagans or Atheism/Agnosticism of those days. Right? Please #211

Chapter 7 Mantra 44 has Prajapati as Devta, so the Ruler of the People or King is tolt to win wars, but no mention of the word Irrelious in the Sanskrit Texts.​

• The basic character of a believer mentioned in the Veda is not of peace but war only due to the collaboration of the Brahmins and the Kshatriyas against the lower classes and the untouchables.All such verses need to be compressed and only some given in every chapter as representative of so many, many many more. Right? Please

Wrong, no such concept as believer in the Vedas, no mention of Lower classes or untouchables in the Veda, no such mention of collaboration of Brahmins and Kshatryas in Vedas, not even in the flawed translations that you provide.

Who were these millions of enemies? Please name them. #153

Chapter 6 Mantra 18 Devta is Agni, the Mantra associates Agni with the warrior, this is a Mantra telling the warriors to defeat enemies even in the millions, this is not literal but a literal meaning but just a request that even if there are millions of enemies a true warrior must still fight.

Did this battle happen before migration to the Indian-sub-Continent? Please

No such migration mentioned in the Veda, please provide Mantra where migration is mentioned.

There were four types of warriors, please name them. #211

read the Mantra again, the 4 types are already mentioned.

As per Veda/Yajurveda, it was a religious war. "Being ever wary, endowed with a religious bent of mind". Post #219 It cannot be in metaphor, as the words "acquirers of mighty wealth in battles" depicts it must be taken literal.

No mention of "religious", in Chapter 19 Mantra 18.

#223 Please note the words "overtaking the territories of the enemies" "sovereignty" "causes terror in all battles", territorial expansion and gaining worldly sovereignty is the purpose of all these battles and also "worldly prosperity". #224

For the Kshatrya this is good advise, the context and Devta of the Mantras are not mentioning the Civilian population, but about rulers and kings.

Battles/wars were fought for being "winner of wealth" . Please note the words "the killer of foes, and breaker of their forts".#225

For kings and rulers this is good advice, this is not for everyday people.

Dhanyavad

 

[Vinayaka]

Is it unreasonable to ask such questions?

Yes. Very unreasonable. It's not your scripture, you don't understand it and never will understand it. How do you feel when non-Muslims attack your scripture?