paarsurrey
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But how could they have Chariots run with horses in ice and snow in the Arctic? Please
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Yajurveda: “This battle is the source of thy prosperity; hence we goad thee to that battle”
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But how could they have Chariots run with horses in ice and snow in the Arctic? Please
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paarsurrey
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It is for this sense that all the truthful prophets/messengers of G-d before Muhammad have been described as Muslims. Please
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paarsurrey
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Our friend @Aupmanyav will add some information on it.
I don't find it in the Wikipedia or in the internet of chariots driven by the horses in Arctic. Did the exist in Arctic? Please
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You drove to Amish country last winter?
I don't subscribe to the Arctic theory but I couldn't resist. 
Aupmanyav
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"The English word wheel comes from the Old English word hweol, hweogol, from Proto-Germanic *hwehwlan, *hwegwlan, from Proto-Indo-European *kwekwlo-,[1] an extended form of the root *kwel- "to revolve, move around". Cognates within Indo-European include Icelandic hjól "wheel, tyre", Greek κύκλος kúklos, and Sanskrit chakra, the latter both meaning "circle" or "wheel"." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel
Even in Arctic circle, people are familiar with wheel and rotation. When they roll trunks of trees or move heavy weights on rollers like the Egyptian pyramid builders. So, crude carts with solid wood wheels, drawn probably by reindeer as in case of Santa Klaus must have been used. Then there was the motion of sun, moon and stars in the sky. Actual chariots must have come only in the Eurasian steppes. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariot
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Aupmanyav
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Paarsurrey, had you paid attention to the replies that we have given, you would have been a much wiser guy today.
paarsurrey
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The cart is not driven by the horse. Veda mentions chariots driven by the horse. There is no mention of reindeer in the Yajurveda, please. There is diference in a simple cart and a chariot and then in a fighting chariot.Or'Attack'
Paarsurrey, had you paid attention to the replies that we have given, you would have been a much wiser guy today.
so one is wrong that there were any fighting chariots, mentioned in the Yajurveda, driven by the horses in the Arctic.
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Aupmanyav
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Vedas do not mention horses all the times, many a times they designate the four-footed as 'Catuspada' and humans (bi-pedal) as 'Dvipada'. 'Catuspada' will include all four-footed, horses, cows, reindeer, sheep, goats, even animals like wolf, tiger, leopard, etc.
"Gāyatreṇa prati mimīte arkamarkeṇa sāma traiṣṭubhena vākam l
vākena vākaṃ dvipadā catuṣpadākṣareṇa mimate sapta vāṇīḥ ll" http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rvsan/rv01164.htm, verse 24
With Gāyatrī he measures out the praise-song, Sāma with praise-song, triplet with the Triṣṭup.
The triplet with the two or four-foot measure, and with the syllable they form seven metres.
This and 33 other instances of the use of word 'Catuspada' in RigVeda at https://www.google.co.in/search?domains=www.sacred-texts.com&q=RV+four-footed&sitesearch=www.sacred-texts.com&sa=Search&client=pub-8617793260330971&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT:#008000;GL:1;DIV:#336699;VLC:663399;AH:center;BGC:FFFFFF;LBGC:336699;ALC:000000;LC:000000;T:0000FF;GFNT:0000FF;GIMP:0000FF;FORID:1;&hl=en&gws_rd=cr&ei=1CXmV-upJ4H2vAT1vZawDw
"Gāyatreṇa prati mimīte arkamarkeṇa sāma traiṣṭubhena vākam l
vākena vākaṃ dvipadā catuṣpadākṣareṇa mimate sapta vāṇīḥ ll" http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rvsan/rv01164.htm, verse 24
With Gāyatrī he measures out the praise-song, Sāma with praise-song, triplet with the Triṣṭup.
The triplet with the two or four-foot measure, and with the syllable they form seven metres.
This and 33 other instances of the use of word 'Catuspada' in RigVeda at https://www.google.co.in/search?domains=www.sacred-texts.com&q=RV+four-footed&sitesearch=www.sacred-texts.com&sa=Search&client=pub-8617793260330971&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT:#008000;GL:1;DIV:#336699;VLC:663399;AH:center;BGC:FFFFFF;LBGC:336699;ALC:000000;LC:000000;T:0000FF;GFNT:0000FF;GIMP:0000FF;FORID:1;&hl=en&gws_rd=cr&ei=1CXmV-upJ4H2vAT1vZawDw
Nyingjé Tso
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Paarsurrey, had you paid attention to the replies that we have given, you would have been a much wiser guy today.
Paarsurrey, had you paid attention to the replies that we have given, you would have been a much wiser guy today.
They (not the Aryans, but the Inuit, Laplander, and people who survived in such a hostile environment. used sleds ... long straight wooden skis, later replaced by steel ones. Further south, at least in North America, they used the travois.
Aupmanyav
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True, these are fore-runners of the chariot, but all are aware of the rolling action, sun, moon, animals on grass or water. A sled or a travois is also a kind of 'ratham'. When time came, they attached wheels to the 'ratham'.
'Ratha': chariot, pleasure, delight, limb, body, wagon, two-wheeled war-chariot, cart, love, car, warrior, goer, member, champion, rattan plant (Calamus Rotang - Bot.), hero, affection, part, Sandan tree (Desmodium oojeinense- Bot.), joy, any vehicle or equipage or carriage.
Chariot: ratha. garta, dhvajin, patākin, pattrin, mūlavibhuja, yāma, vāhin, shatānga, syandana, cakravat, yugya, vāhana, vāhyaka, pattra
Now 'pattrin', 'pattra' means a leaf, board, and 'yugya' means yoked. 'Mūlavibhuja' means something like a travois (vibhuja - two arms), two poles meeting at one point. So, 'ratha' (chariot) was once basically a board yoked to a animal.
Word meanings from http://spokensanskrit.de/
'Ratha': chariot, pleasure, delight, limb, body, wagon, two-wheeled war-chariot, cart, love, car, warrior, goer, member, champion, rattan plant (Calamus Rotang - Bot.), hero, affection, part, Sandan tree (Desmodium oojeinense- Bot.), joy, any vehicle or equipage or carriage.
Chariot: ratha. garta, dhvajin, patākin, pattrin, mūlavibhuja, yāma, vāhin, shatānga, syandana, cakravat, yugya, vāhana, vāhyaka, pattra
Now 'pattrin', 'pattra' means a leaf, board, and 'yugya' means yoked. 'Mūlavibhuja' means something like a travois (vibhuja - two arms), two poles meeting at one point. So, 'ratha' (chariot) was once basically a board yoked to a animal.
Word meanings from http://spokensanskrit.de/
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paarsurrey
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Did goats and or sheep drive the battle chariots? Please
What about the word "steed" used in Yajurveda? Please
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Not forerunners at all, but alternate devices based on conditions. Sleds, cutters, skis, etc. slide easily on snow, or ice. Wheels are useless, they just get stuck. I am speaking from direct experience.
Maybe too much ice and snow up top? Anyway, again and again one of the points that paarsurreyji is refusing to hear or reflect upon but which has been interwoven throughout many of the answers provided by members making the attempt at thawing things out--not only here but in other so-called Veda posts he initiated--is the use of metaphor, simile and the like in Vedic/Hindu texts to give concept and context to the teachings. A teacher starts with the known (war) to help a student get to the unknown. An example I often use, particularly with reference to one of Islam's teachings, is the admonishment to "kill the infidel." Neither God nor His prophet(s) (pbu all of them) would tell His followers to go out and indiscriminately kill His children. Most assuredly, God is telling us to kill the infidel within ourselves, our egos, our ignorance, our stubbornly cold and closed minds clinging to avidya. Most assuredly, this is Truth.