No it doesn't. That would just cause confusion for non-Hindus, and Hindus don't want to cause confusion, because its bad karma. So, sorry, but you're wrong. Unlike you and your Koran, we don't feel the whole world needs to find out about it.
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Yajurveda: "6.21 mentions a number of sciences". Is it true?
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No it doesn't. That would just cause confusion for non-Hindus, and Hindus don't want to cause confusion, because its bad karma. So, sorry, but you're wrong. Unlike you and your Koran, we don't feel the whole world needs to find out about it.
paarsurrey
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Well. that is just your personal viewpoint. It is not the viewpoint of Veda:
Yajurveda Chapter 17 verse 90
90. He. whose knowledge of the four vedas is like four horns, who
studies and enjoys the vedas, is perfectly well versed in them all,
preaches them to humanity, and listens to their teachings from others, is
the praiseworthy embodiment of knowledge. It is our duty to propagate
it to others, and act upon it in our domestic life with words of veneration.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Please note that I am on Chapter 18 of Yajurveda.
Please join me in reading Yajurveda from the Chapter 18 onwards, from any translation one likes or from the original in Sanskrit. Right? Please
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I'm glad you're reading the Vedas, and hope you enjoy it. I don't have the time to join you, sorry.
paarsurrey
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Never-mind.
One is missing a good opportunity though. Joint study is always useful, you know. Right? Please
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paarsurrey
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I never said there is nothing else than Veda.
Gathas/Yesna of Zoroaster is there.
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Ghar vapsi would be a great opportunity too, for you that is.
paarsurrey
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First I should see if the Ghar (home) is in order or not. Please prove that it is in order. Right? Please
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We believe the universe is in a perfect state of evolution, Paar. There is absolutely nothing that needs fixing. So should you opt to come home, we would welcome you. It would be a beautiful opportunity for you. BTW, you have yet to start your new Vedas thread for today. I'm waiting anxiously.
paarsurrey
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Vinayaka said: ↑
I'm glad you're reading the Vedas, and hope you enjoy it. I don't have the time to join you, sorry.
By reading Yajurveda myself, which doesn't match with the posts Hinduism people write here, I understand either they haven't read it or they have altogether forgotten what they have read. Right? That is why I suggested for joint study to you.
Then you may give reasonable arguments from Vedas, if there is any in them, to me.
Well, I do appreciate your invitation to me, that should be matched with good and reasonable arguments from Veda. Please
I only started a thread about which I read in the Yajurveda, none unnecessarily.
Just for your information. Right now I am at Chapter 21 Verse 61 of Yajurveda.
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I'm glad you're reading the Vedas, and hope you enjoy it. I don't have the time to join you, sorry.
You haven't read Yajurveda. Have you?
By reading Yajurveda myself, which doesn't match with the posts Hinduism people write here, I understand either they haven't read it or they have altogether forgotten what they have read. Right? That is why I suggested for joint study to you.
Then you may give reasonable arguments from Vedas, if there is any in them, to me.
Well, I do appreciate your invitation to me, that should be matched with good and reasonable arguments from Veda. Please
I only started a thread about which I read in the Yajurveda, none unnecessarily.
Just for your information. Right now I am at Chapter 21 Verse 61 of Yajurveda.
Regards
No I haven't read the Yajurveda. I do believe that wisdom is the timely application of knowledge. Are you trying to figure out how you can apply the wisdom of the Yajurveda to your personal life? That's how reading scripture gets really important. There is no point in just reading over the words without full comprehension. If I were to read the Vedas, I\d probably only read one verse a day, and then truly reflect on that single verse.
paarsurrey
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What do you mean by that? Please elaborate. It is being evolved as G-d has set it to evolve, it is not being evolved on its own. Right?
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God is not separated from the universe, so all is God. (Brahman) It is like His breath, a natural process ... breathe in, breathe out.
paarsurrey
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Yajurveda Chapter 17 Verse 20 reads:
20. Let the Yogis with mind under control, intelligently question
the learned. What was the adorable cause, what the transitory result-
ant universe ? Who created separately the heaven and Earth and how ?
Know God the Creator of the universe, Who sustaining all regions where
human beings dwell, reigns supreme over them.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
The Creator is separate from the created, one should understand it. So, Yajurveda supports my reasonable viewpoint. Right? Please
Please correct yourself, if you like, no compulsion however.
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In Hinduism, particularly in monistic schools, God only extends or emanates portions of Himself. I know that is like blasphemy to you, but that is how many Hindus, including myself, and all advaitins, view it. Yes there are different views. Yajurveda may or may not support the Islamic view. Somehow I doubt it.
paarsurrey
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Please quote from Yajurveda to support one's viewpoint.
There is one aspect G-d/Brahman mentions in Quran:
[6:103] Such is Allah, your Lord. There is no God but He, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He is Guardian over everything.
[6:104] Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes. And He is the Incomprehensible, the All-Aware.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=6&verse=103
Yet another aspect mentioned in another verse:
[57:3] His is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth; He gives life and He causes death; and He has power over all things.
[57:4] He is the First and the Last, and the Manifest and the Hidden, and He knows all things full well.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=57&verse=0
Since He Himself wants that we know Him so He manifests in a way that is most suitable for us to know Him.
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How is quoting from the Koran related to the topic? I don't see the connection. Maybe you wish to debate the virtues of the Koran over the Vedas? Either way, I'm afraid I'm of no use, as I haven't read either, and don't intend to. Like I've indicated several times already. As have others. But it is also your right to ignore what Hindus have been saying to you. Most of us are used to that idea.
The Yajurveda is not theological. The Rigveda is:
índram mitráṃ váruṇam agním āhur / átho divyáḥ sá suparṇó garútmān
ékaṃ sád víprā bahudhâ vadanty / agníṃ yamám mātaríśvānam āhuḥ
"They call him Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Agni / and he is heavenly nobly-winged Garutman."
"To what is One, sages give many a title / they call it Agni, Yama, Matarisvan." – Rigveda 1.164.46
In the Bhagavad Gita, considered by many to be "the fifth Veda" (like George Martin was the fifth Beatle
) in chapter 10 Krishna enumerates his expansions and powers, and "aliases" as God.You see, as we've been trying desperately to point out and guide you, you cannot read only the words you like without understanding their context and basis.
paarsurrey
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Yajurveda: "mentions a number of sciences". Is it true?
Further to post #6 in this thread.
Yajurveda CHAPTER XXIX (29) Verse 17 :
17. O learned person 1 recognise thy soul going high up from below,
like the Sun in heaven. Just as I see the the aeroplanes from far, and
round like the head, soaring, striving upward by paths unsoiled by dust, and
pleasant to travel, so shouldst thou see.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Friend @Aupmanyav
I remember one mentioned interest in science in some of the threads. Did one? Please
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Further to post #6 in this thread.
Yajurveda CHAPTER XXIX (29) Verse 17 :
17. O learned person 1 recognise thy soul going high up from below,
like the Sun in heaven. Just as I see the the aeroplanes from far, and
round like the head, soaring, striving upward by paths unsoiled by dust, and
pleasant to travel, so shouldst thou see.
https://archive.org/stream/yajurveda029670mbp/yajurveda029670mbp_djvu.txt
Friend @Aupmanyav
I remember one mentioned interest in science in some of the threads. Did one? Please
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I have mentioned it earlier also and I mention it now too. Your basic problem is that you have chosen a very wrong book as your reference - Devi Chand of Ary Samaj. See here is what I get from Ralph Griffith (and that is the reason Secred-Texts.com has not selected Devi Chand's translation). Arya Samaj has done a totally incorrect translation of YajurVeda - It is hugely misleading.
Ralph Griffith (White YajurVeda Chapter VI, Verse 21):
Go to the sea. All-hail! Go to the air. All-hail! Go to God Savitar. All hail!
Go thou to Mitra-Varuna. All-hail! Go thou to Day and Night. All-hail!
Go to the Metres. till-hail! Go to Heaven and Earth. All-hail!
Go to the sacrifice. All-hail! Go to Soma. All-hail!
Go to the heavenly ether. All-hail! Go to Vaisvânara
Agni. All hail! Bestow upon me mind and heart.
Thy smoke mount to the sky, to heaven thy lustre.
Fill thou the spacious earth full with thine ashes.
There is no Geography, History, Astronomy, in this. I do not know where from the Arya Samaj people get that! Dump Devi Chand's book. Read something sane.