Yes, but how did it all get started in the first place?

[Malleus_de_Philosophia]

I know what you mean about bull**** claims, I have just read some.

Now why would I have something which I have just said was impossible?

Better ask River about that Red Herring. And your Red Herring, is what generally happens when somebody jumps into the middle of the conversation and doesn't know what the conversation is about.

You said it was mathematically impossible but nothing else, so all you have right now is a random statement with nothing to back it up. After being asked for you to provide evidence, you haven't given sufficient evidence and so it's becoming easier to conclude that your statement is null and void. So, I'll ask again, where is your evidence? Either concede you have none (which I'm beginning to think) or give evidence but don't keep dragging your statement out without giving an argument for it.

Amill I would like to see your study on where it was said Abiogeneis is mathematically impossible.

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:Oh come on, now you're asking someone else to give evidence for the same thing you have to give evidence for and neither of you have given evidence thus far. Is this now becoming a group effort for you, Amil and maybe more creationists to show how it's mathematically impossible?

 

[Autodidact]

This always happens to me when people start talking about Big Bang and stuff. After about two sentences, I'm lost. I'm sure it's fascinating if you understand it. Unfortunately I don't. It's all so counter-intuitive.

I wouldn't mind a thread for all the people who do understand it to explain it in simple terms to those of us who don't.

What cracks me up is arrogant religionists whom I doubt understand it any better than I do, but who do not hesitate to use their lack of understanding as an argument in favor of their God.

 

[tumbleweed41]

How did it all get started?
No one knows for certain. And how far do we want to go back with this question?
To the Christian, it all started with God. And when asked, "where did God come from?", the answer is God always has been, (ignoring their cause/action argument), or the more honest will say, " I do not know.".
We have evidence of a 'Big Bang", so then the question becomes, did God cause the big bang?
We know life occurred where once there was no life, the Christian will say, "God created life."
We have overwhelming evidence of Evolution, we strive to explain Evolution through a series of scientific observations, proven hypotheses, and known facts. We call this the Theory of Evolution (ToE). Often new findings are discovered, or new hypotheses are proven that tweak how we explain Evolution in the ToE, but the fact of Evolution remains.

Here is where we run into a problem. The Creationist will deny all this evidence and insist God created life as it is. Reviling in their ignorance of the ToE, and pushing pseudoscientific nonsense in a feeble attempt to "prove" Evolution wrong.

So, "Big Bang", or creation or the universe using similar techniques. God did it. No evidence to the contrary. (But still relying on faith, no evidence for Gods interference.)
Abiogenesis, or life where once none existed. God did it. No evidence to the contrary. (But still relying on faith, no evidence for Gods interference.)
Evolution, or Common Ancestry. Did not happen. Biblical creation story is a fact. God did it. (Relying on faith and ignoring overwhelming evidence to the contrary.)
There are no 'Gaps' to fill. To accept Creationism is to ignore anthropological, biological and geological evidence to the contrary.

 

[Jose Fly]

So yet another thread where a creationist comes along, makes a series of empty assertions about evolution that serve mostly to demonstrate his ignorance of the subject, waves away (or ignores) all evidence provided, and generally "debates" at about an elementary school playground level....

....and people line up one after another to try and explain evolutionary biology to him?

Bizarre.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

This always happens to me when people start talking about Big Bang and stuff. After about two sentences, I'm lost. I'm sure it's fascinating if you understand it. Unfortunately I don't. It's all so counter-intuitive.

I wouldn't mind a thread for all the people who do understand it to explain it in simple terms to those of us who don't.

What cracks me up is arrogant religionists whom I doubt understand it any better than I do, but who do not hesitate to use their lack of understanding as an argument in favor of their God.

Evolution is a more understandable theory and we know they (some not all) have problems with that so I don't have any hopes of then understanding BBT....I understand it on more simple terms but still learning and "willing" to learn more than just stating...(goddidit). One can find some great video if they search youtube on the subject or try to catch or (tivo/dvr) some great stuff from the Science Channel.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

So yet another thread where a creationist comes along, makes a series of empty assertions about evolution that serve mostly to demonstrate his ignorance of the subject, waves away (or ignores) all evidence provided, and generally "debates" at about an elementary school playground level....

....and people line up one after another to try and explain evolutionary biology to him?

Bizarre.

For some strange reason we feel as though we have to because they are just so darned ill-informed...but it's becoming quite clear, thread after thread, some aren't interested in evidence but rather wallow in their dogmatic rhetoric....passed down to them by the hand and the mouth of men.

 

[Xander]

There being nothing new under the sun,much of VOID is explained in the Old Testament.It is possible to bring the parallel postulate within human resonation once you are aware,as well as the other Pantheon's or groups' of (seemingly)super-being's which co-exist.

We live in the Prophetic Age where all are prophet's,with the exception of those who shall die screaming harder than when they did enter this life,& knowing less about it.

We are a *young* race which is growing,fragile as we alway's have been.

If you can get a better idea of where you are coming from,then you get a better idea of where you are going too,& of where you are at-then identify what you are(thus what you are not)

In great Love.

*goes to look for meta-level interphase comunication.aka crop circles.

 

[MountainHumanist]

A lot of people say 'Hey, I know that evolution happens, cos look at fruit flies or viruses etc...'or 'look at the fossil record.' Never mind all that. How did it all get going in the first place? It is mathematically impossible. As that's the case, the case for evolution is pretty much closed isn't it?

No one knows how "it" (the beginning of the universe) exactly got started. It will be interesting to find out if it is something which can be discovered. Enjoy the journey.

 

[MountainHumanist]

There being nothing new under the sun,much of VOID is explained in the Old Testament.It is possible to bring the parallel postulate within human resonation once you are aware,as well as the other Pantheon's or groups' of (seemingly)super-being's which co-exist.

We live in the Prophetic Age where all are prophet's,with the exception of those who shall die screaming harder than when they did enter this life,& knowing less about it.

We are a *young* race which is growing,fragile as we alway's have been.

If you can get a better idea of where you are coming from,then you get a better idea of where you are going too,& of where you are at-then identify what you are(thus what you are not)

In great Love.

*goes to look for meta-level interphase comunication.aka crop circles.

Not much of any kind of solid cosmological science is explained in the Old Testament. If anything, it is simply a testament to some primitive nomadic beliefs.

Please provide empirical evidence for you assertion: "We live in the Prophetic Age where all are prophet's [sic]." Thank you.

 

[Jose Fly]

For some strange reason we feel as though we have to because they are just so darned ill-informed...but it's becoming quite clear, thread after thread, some aren't interested in evidence but rather wallow in their dogmatic rhetoric....passed down to them by the hand and the mouth of men.

I've yet to see one creationist who behaves as I described who is interested in the evidence. Those who are truly interested don't come in repeating the BS they've heard from Hovind, Ham, and Wells.

 

[challupa]

I've yet to see one creationist who behaves as I described who is interested in the evidence. Those who are truly interested don't come in repeating the BS they've heard from Hovind, Ham, and Wells.

I would have to agree with that. They don't come to learn, they come to try and convert. Fortunately, it will never work. Once you realize the bible is not a reliable history book, nor is it the words of God or even god inspired, you can never again be tempted to believe by faith only.

 

[MountainHumanist]

I know I have posted this one before but here is a hypothesis that has just as much backing evidence as do most religious explanations. Big prize to the person who identifies the source of this.

Many races believe that the Universe was created by some sort of god or in the Big Bang. The Jatravartid people, however, believe that the Universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure. They live in perpetual fear of the time they call "The Coming of the Great White Handkerchief". The theory of the Great Green Arkleseizure is not widely accepted outside Viltvodle VI.

 

[Xander]

Not much of any kind of solid cosmological science is explained in the Old Testament. If anything, it is simply a testament to some primitive nomadic beliefs.

Please provide empirical evidence for you assertion: "We live in the Prophetic Age where all are prophet's [sic]." Thank you.

Sure,most famously we have Jacob's ladder brought about by his resonating with Jacob's pillow,a rock.He is very good at describing his vision too,very clear & precise.Immaculate.His son Joseph rose to rank of Pharoh by his prophetic instinct,this period having been "erased" from Egyptian History.

Then you have Ezekial,wonderful prophet with tremendous clarity & meticulous vision/prophecy,He mention's the Shekinah who is throughout the bible & her mystic joy of tabernacle of meeting.

Also the tale of the "Silver City".

All these people & places exist in parallel dimension & can assist you in navigating them,breaking down barrier's to the true self or true nature.

The book of Job explain's the Universal Law of Attraction VERY WELL,Book of Jonah explains khefer.All of these are worth elaborating upon to nth degree of biblical exegesis.

The digital age is upon us,all the information in the worlds & dimension's IS AT YOUR FINGERTIPS.

Unfortunately digital is extremely fragile,a very minor nuclear explosion couldknock out every digital telephone line,tv channel & computer(buy a cb radio or non-digital radio folks!).

My Empirical Evidence is that the first(for a while) 1,000 year old human has already been born,the main industry of the year 2015 has yet to be identified,everyone is an unconscious prophet just some are very poorly alligned & very dumb,not having the brain's they were born with.

Whereas other's rely upon Emotional Intelligence to survive & have very finely honed this survival skill where all is simply energy.

We are ramifying exponentially as a people,self educating & ever-evolving.

How do you define *human* in your label humanist,by the way?

 

[MSizer]

Well that sure is imaginative.

 

[Xander]

Well that sure is imaginative.

The Zaphod Beetlebox(spelling) from the Hitchhikers guide or the Biblical Exegesis

My stuff is all association based upon Desire & need so there is a difference.

Mine is Sorcery.

Maybe hold a Black Mass somewhere on this site to crush the Meta Info out of the Holy document that is the Bible.:angel2: if it floats your boat,coz I like you.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I know I have posted this one before but here is a hypothesis that has just as much backing evidence as do most religious explanations. Big prize to the person who identifies the source of this.

ohhhh, oooohhh

Me.....me!!!

I've heard that before. Is it from "The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Universe"....?....Douglas Adams...(I think)

And do I get frubals.....:flirt:

 

[Dirty Penguin]

The Zaphod Beetlebox(spelling) from the Hitchhikers guide or the Biblical Exegesis

My stuff is all association based upon Desire & need so there is a difference.

Mine is Sorcery.

Maybe hold a Black Mass somewhere on this site to crush the Meta Info out of the Holy document that is the Bible.:angel2: if it floats your boat,coz I like you.

What the "Jiminy Christmas" are you talking about.......?.....

 

[Malleus_de_Philosophia]

The Zaphod Beetlebox(spelling) from the Hitchhikers guide or the Biblical Exegesis

My stuff is all association based upon Desire & need so there is a difference.

Mine is Sorcery.

Maybe hold a Black Mass somewhere on this site to crush the Meta Info out of the Holy document that is the Bible.:angel2: if it floats your boat,coz I like you.

Sorcery, bible, black mass, beetlebox, some guide... . Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't have the foggest idea as to what you're talking about. Can you make it, less, well, *points to the quote* that?

 

[Riverwolf]

So yet another thread where a creationist comes along, makes a series of empty assertions about evolution that serve mostly to demonstrate his ignorance of the subject, waves away (or ignores) all evidence provided, and generally "debates" at about an elementary school playground level....

....and people line up one after another to try and explain evolutionary biology to him?

Bizarre.

Well, we're bored. lol

 

[footprints]

from the prior "hot quark soup" which cools enough to form matter and antimatter.

Cheers

Tiapan, you should have already anticipated this question, where did the "hot quark soup," come from?

Where did the first matter particles come from?

The end resultant of your scenario is something was created from nothing. A total impossibility by todays knowledge. The other resultant which could be derived is that matter has always existed. Another total impossibility by todays knowledge that something can exist without ever having been created or formed.