YHUH is Jesus

[calm]

OK I'm in bed it's still dark and there's a cockerel crowing outside and maybe I'm tired and this isn't relevant but...

You do realise that literally nowhere in the Tanakh says that the moshiach will be G-d Himself and that this is an idea your religion just made up, right?

The Tanakh clearly teaches that God Himself is the Messiah, behold:

God will be the pierced(Zechariah 12:10)=Jesus is the pierced(crucifixion)

God is the only Saviour(Isaiah 43:11)=Jesus is the Saviour(Luke 2:11)

For God the way is prepared (Isaiah 40:3)=For Jesus the way is prepared (Mark 1:3 ; Matthew 3:3)

God is the Lord of Lords(Deuteronomy 10:17)=Jesus is the Lord of Lords(Revelation 19:16)
There can't be two different persons claiming this title.

God is the First (the Origin) and the Last (the goal) (Isaiah 44:6)=Jesus is the First and the Last(Revelation 1:17)
There cannot be two different persons claiming this title.

Isaiah 35:6
Say to those who have an anxious heart, Be strong; fear not! Behold, your God will come with vengeance, with the recompense of God. He will come and save you.

 

[calm]

In ancient Hebrew text, there were no vowels.

Yes, please do explain why you think ancient Hebrew text had vowels when in fact it did not.

I'm sorry, I didn't see your message.
Here is the explanation:

Here the whole name YAHUAH is explained:
Part 1

Part 2

 

[calm]

I think it would be better, if you would show the actual scriptures, all though I think they wouldn’t support your claims well. For example, this Isaiah seems to be very different than what you claim it to be.

But now thus says Yahweh who created you, Jacob, and he who formed you, Israel: Don't be afraid, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by your name, you are mine.
Isaiah 43:1

Isaiah 43:11

 

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Isaiah 43:11

Sorry, I misread your earlier post.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I'm sorry, I didn't see your message.
Here is the explanation:

You expect me to watch an hour and a half of videos instead of you giving me a concise answer to my question? Don't you know how to engage in a dialogue??????

I made a simple remark: there weren't any vowels in ancient hebrew. Therefore I asked the question, How can there be a U?

Please answer.

I did listen to the first few minutes of your first video, until it went off track and started talking about the "true" pronunciation of Yoshka's name. Well, it's actually very easy -- the name of Yeshua was as common as John back then.

Now getting back to your use of U. It's a big mistake. the vav today makes a V sound, and in old times made a short W sound. Notice that W is related to an U but is shorter, making it a consonant, which is why there is a Hebrew character for it.

As for whether there are A's or E's or other vowels in between the consonants, it's really anyone's guess. No one really knows -- the pronunciation of the yad hey and vav hey is lost in history. It is really nuts for any group to think that they (especially they alone) have a handle on the true pronunciation of God's name.

 

[calm]

You expect me to watch an hour and a half of videos instead of you giving me a concise answer to my question? Don't you know how to engage in a dialogue??????

I made a simple remark: there weren't any vowels in ancient hebrew. Therefore I asked the question, How can there be a U?

Please answer.

I did listen to the first few minutes of your first video, until it went off track and started talking about the "true" pronunciation of Yoshka's name. Well, it's actually very easy -- the name of Yeshua was as common as John back then.

Now getting back to your use of U. It's a big mistake. the vav today makes a V sound, and in old times made a short W sound. Notice that W is related to an U but is shorter, making it a consonant, which is why there is a Hebrew character for it.

As for whether there are A's or E's or other vowels in between the consonants, it's really anyone's guess. No one really knows -- the pronunciation of the yad hey and vav hey is lost in history. It is really nuts for any group to think that they (especially they alone) have a handle on the true pronunciation of God's name.

The first video is only 10 minutes long and explains excellent why it is a U.
And nothing got out of hand, please have a look at it completely.

 

[wizanda]

why it is a U.

I agree that double VV is how we say it in French, 'dooblaVae'... Which literally means double V.

Modern Hebrew got the W from the Arabs, and originally the Vav had a drop sound, as that is how the letter looks.

In my opinion.

 

[sooda]

The Tanakh clearly teaches that God Himself is the Messiah, behold:

God will be the pierced(Zechariah 12:10)=Jesus is the pierced(crucifixion)

God is the only Saviour(Isaiah 43:11)=Jesus is the Saviour(Luke 2:11)

For God the way is prepared (Isaiah 40:3)=For Jesus the way is prepared (Mark 1:3 ; Matthew 3:3)

God is the Lord of Lords(Deuteronomy 10:17)=Jesus is the Lord of Lords(Revelation 19:16)
There can't be two different persons claiming this title.

God is the First (the Origin) and the Last (the goal) (Isaiah 44:6)=Jesus is the First and the Last(Revelation 1:17)
There cannot be two different persons claiming this title.

Isaiah 35:6
Say to those who have an anxious heart, Be strong; fear not! Behold, your God will come with vengeance, with the recompense of God. He will come and save you.

All the way through Isaiah he's writing about Israel not Jesus.

 

[wizanda]

All the way through Isaiah he's writing about Israel not Jesus.

Maybe get the name right first before studying something doesn't exist in the text; it is Yeshua or Yehoshua, we have 19 usages of the word Salvation (H3444) in Isaiah, most are contextually about Yeshua in some way.

The name Yehoshua (Lord Saves) is appointed as the name of the Messiah by Moses, when he said Yehoshua shall lead the people into the promised land (Deuteronomy 3:28, Deuteronomy 31:23)....

Therefore each time Isaiah is stating the Messiah shall bring in the remnant after Judgement Day, this is referring to the soul of Yehoshua.

In my opinion.

 

[sooda]

Maybe get the name right first before studying something doesn't exist in the text; it is Yeshua or Yehoshua, we have 19 usages of the word Salvation (H3444) in Isaiah, most are contextually about Yeshua in some way.

The name Yehoshua (Lord Saves) is appointed as the name of the Messiah by Moses, when he said Yehoshua shall lead the people into the promised land (Deuteronomy 3:28, Deuteronomy 31:23)....

Therefore each time Isaiah is stating the Messiah shall bring in the remnant after Judgement Day, this is referring to the soul of Yehoshua.

In my opinion.

Moses is a fictional character.

Christians would be far better off if they didn't rewrite Isaiah and Hosea for meaning. It just muddies the water.

It makes the case for Jesus weak.

The "remnant" is the remnant of Israel.

 

[wizanda]

Moses is a fictional character.

The whole of reality is fictional, it is a mathematical matrix for us to be tested within.

Christians would be far better off if they didn't rewrite Isaiah and Hosea for meaning.

I agree, as when we take into account that John, Paul, and Simon the stone (petros - Christianity) rewrote Isaiah 53 to make it an acceptable sacrifice, rather than an abominable forfeit by mankind.

It makes the case for Jesus weak.

The case for Yeshua being Messiah is already proven.

In my opinion.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The first video is only 10 minutes long and explains excellent why it is a U.
And nothing got out of hand, please have a look at it completely.

I'm sorry, but it's an irrational video. After spending several minutes making a step by step history of the development of the double u (w) in English, it then stupidly and irrationally claims there is no double u in ancient Hebrew.

I can't stand to listen to irrational talk.

Again. a regular u sound is a vow. The vav (or waw) is not a vowel, it is the shorter, consonant sound.

If you can't understand that, then there is no reasoning with you.

 

[Iymus]

God is the Lord of Lords(Deuteronomy 10:17)=Jesus is the Lord of Lords(Revelation 19:16)
There can't be two different persons claiming this title.

Any lesser lord is not Lord God neither is he Lord of Heaven and Earth.

Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

 

[sojourner]

I will prove by the Old Testament that Jesus is YHUH Himself.

God is the Lord of Lords(Deuteronomy 10:17)=Jesus is the Lord of Lords(Revelation 19:16)
There can't be two different persons claiming this title.

God is the First (the Origin) and the Last (the goal) (Isaiah 44:6)=Jesus is the First and the Last(Revelation 1:17)
There cannot be two different persons claiming this title.

God is the only Saviour(Isaiah 43:11)=Jesus is the Saviour(Luke 2:11)
God is the rock (1 Samuel 2:2)=Jesus is the rock(1 Corinthians 10:4)
God is the husband (Isaiah 54:5)=Jesus is the husband (2 Corinthians 11:2)
God will be the pierced(Zechariah 12:10)=Jesus is the pierced(crucifixion)
For God the way is prepared (Isaiah 40:3)=For Jesus the way is prepared (Mark 1:3 ; Matthew 3:3)
Jesus and YHUH are God (Psalm 45:7-8) =Jesus and YHUH are God (Hebrews 1:8-9)
God created the world (Genesis 1:1)=All things were created by Jesus, through Jesus and for Jesus(Romans 11:36) (Colossians 1:16-17)
Jesus is God and the father(Isaiah 9:6)

You’re mushing together two completely different faith-traditions here. One is built upon the other. Of course they’re going to say the same thing. But that’s not how biblical “proofs” work. This isn’t about some cosmological fact. It’s about theological constructs for the Divine from different traditions.

 

[101G]

Addressing the OP only
Calm, add this one to your arsenal.of scriptures.

The question, “who made” everyone and everything. The answer, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made”. this is the Lord Jesus correct, the WORD. Now this,

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself”.

There is only one “MAKER” and “CREATOR”. it’s the same one person. For in Isaiah 44:24, he was “ALONE”, meaning he didn’t go through anyone. And he was “BY HIMSELF”, meaning that no one was with him.

PICJAG.

 

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Jesus is God and the father(Isaiah 9:6)

I think you have misunderstood those scriptures, because Jesus himself says there is only one true God that is greater than him.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

I recommend to remain in his teachings.

"If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32

Also, because Paul says:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28

 

[101G]

John 14:28 " Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

is Greater here used in quality, or in quantity. other words, is the Father Greater in "NATURE", or quality? no, for Phil 2:6 proves that out. so then Greater in "WORKS", quantity, yes because he's everywhere working, whereas our Lord being in flesh, is limited in spatial, or space. and the scriptures prove this out. John 14:12 " Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

so is the servant "GREATER" than his master? no John 13:16 " Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him."

so while our Lord was in flesh, no he was not "GREATER" than the Spirit/Father, because he was limited by the flesh he was in.

the mediator
Galatians 3:19 " Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."
Galatians 3:20 " Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one."

God is Jesus in flesh as "MEDIATOR", scripture, Hebrews 6:13 " For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,"

PICJAG.

 

[sooda]

Maybe get the name right first before studying something doesn't exist in the text; it is Yeshua or Yehoshua, we have 19 usages of the word Salvation (H3444) in Isaiah, most are contextually about Yeshua in some way.

The name Yehoshua (Lord Saves) is appointed as the name of the Messiah by Moses, when he said Yehoshua shall lead the people into the promised land (Deuteronomy 3:28, Deuteronomy 31:23)....

Therefore each time Isaiah is stating the Messiah shall bring in the remnant after Judgement Day, this is referring to the soul of Yehoshua.

In my opinion.

Nope. Claiming Isaiah 43 is about Jesus is a shameful lie. Christians should not indulge in such lies. Changing the meaning of Jewish scripture is NOT the way to bring people to Jesus.

 

[Iymus]

What Php 2:6 says:

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

What nonbelievers interpret Php 2:6 to say.

Who, being God thought it not robbery to be God

 

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God is Jesus in flesh as "MEDIATOR", scripture, Hebrews 6:13 " For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,".

Sorry, I don’t like to add own meanings to what the Bible tells. Bible Says God lives in Jesus and God lives also in disciples of Jesus. I think it is not same as what you are saying.

Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I tell you, I speak not from myself; but the Father who lives in me does his works. ….
John 14:10

But if the Spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
Romans 8:11

Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16

For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily,
Colossians 2:9