YHWH: Worship ONE GOD, not MANY GODS. Worship Me, alone!

[Brian2]

Can you show what you just said to @Clear, when you come across him. His ‘Historical Data’ and unspiritualness tells him that no one has inherited sin … He might be interested in what you just said (in other words, demand that you are wrong because his ‘Historical Data’ says otherwise!

Nobody has inherited sin. I agree with Clear.
Somehow however, maybe through gaining a knowledge of good and evil when we were not ready for it, we have become prone to sinning, doing what our desires tell us instead of what God tells us is right.
Man could not avoid sinning when there was only one prohibition, it is now overwhelming hard with so many things that we can do which are wrong,,,,,,,,,,,,and even just what is right and wrong is all jumbled up in the human race so that some call evil "good" and call good "evil".

 

[Brian2]

Total hogwash.

Whichever way Trinitarians try to disguise their confusion, it always comes out the same: That they claim that ‘God was with God’ while trying to say that the God that was with God is the same God that God was with.

Brian2, even your new explanation smacks of deceit in your struggle to explain nonsense.

You ALMOST had it when you say it must be a description of some sort….!

Yeah, you read what I said, Yeah!

The term and Title, ‘God’, must be first DEFINED.

Then you will see that there are two uses of the word, ‘God’. One is the TITLE OF THE FATHER… the other is the ADJECTIVE attached to the WORD, ‘God’!

Even today, we say something like: “He was amazing, that was a monumental performance, … He was a God!’

I use ‘a God’ to reference similar performances of the same ilk but could also say:

• ‘The judge was majestic, gloriously intelligent ruling on that matter - He sure is GOD in his courtroom’

So, the word that [The] God [of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob] spoke in the beginning (Gen 1:1…’Let there be light…!’) was a masterful, overwhelming, ruling, glorious, majestic, almighty,… word. The word of God was ‘God’!!

• ‘God: Title’
• ‘God: Adjective’

[The] God spoke a word, too, that in time a messiah would come … and what [The] God speaks must come true… must take place … must …take on flesh!!!

And, indeed, in the fullness of time, the word of [The] God DID COME TRUE… DID TAKE ON FLESH!!!

Notice that a verse says that in the fullness of time:

• ‘GOD SENT HIS SON, BORN OF A WOMAN’

The Son was not ‘SENT FROM HEAVEN’ but was ‘SENT’ AFTER HE WAS BAPTISED at the river Jordan.

You just keep ignoring the scriptures I gave which show that the Son as a living being, was with the Father before coming to earth. Why do you do that and end up with a nonsense theology?

• “what about the one whom the Father set apart (sanctified) as his very own (Chosen) and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?” (John 10:36)
  [*]See also Acts 10:37-38

He was ‘SENT’ AFTER he was ANOINTED:

• what does anointed mean?? Sanctified… set-aside for kingship and priesthood
• what does this anointing make Jesus:… it made him ‘CHRIST’ … and CHRIST means… ‘MESSIAH’

So if it is the anointing that made Jesus ‘Christ/Messiah’ then how could Christ/Messiah have present-existed…?

And a voice came FROM HEAVEN saying: ‘This is my Son in whom I am well pleased!’ which ties in with Isaiah 42:1 where [The] God says:

• “Behold my SERVANT WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN… I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT ON HIM and he will bring justice to the nations”

And Jesus, being ANOINTED WITH HOLY SPIRIT AND POWER, was then SENT (led by the Holy Spirit OF [The] God) into the wilderness TO BE TEMPTED OF THE DEVIL.

2John 1: 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, refusing to confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Jesus the Christ came as a man. If Jesus was not the Christ when He was born then He was just a man who later became the Christ. It was the pre existing Jesus who was chosen to be the Christ and to be sent into the world as a man and when He was a man this Jesus the Christ He was anointed with the Holy Spirit for His ministry of teaching and miracles.

What was the point and purpose of the temptation??

It was to TEST Jesus to see if he would mis-use his POWERS:

1. Extreme Hunger drive him to manipulate the elements to make sustenance for his flesh body
2. Save himself from a definite death or dire injury by falling from a height
3. ACQUIRE THE THRONE OF DAVID - the rulership over creation - WITHOUT the stress, pain, suffering, HUMILIATION, and DEATH that he would / Will otherwise have to endure
4. ((Other temptations not mentioned))

Trinitarians say Jesus was Almighty God… what purpose would there be to ALMIGHTY GOD being TEMPTED… Temptation is only any use if the tempted is trying to GAIN something they do not already have… What is there that ALMIGHTY GOD not have … nothing!!! Everything God RECEIVES [back] is only what he FIRST GAVE OUT!

Hence: ‘GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED’!

Jesus was tempted… BUT RESISTED the temptation, preferring, though stumbling to an extent, to stick to the Will of the Father…:

• “Father, if there could be another way… [nonetheless let it be] NOT MY WILL BUT YOURS!”
• “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42)
• “Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour.” (John 12:27)

Jesus as a man could be tempted otherwise He was not a man.
Jesus the Son of God did not sin because of being the Son of God.
It was no doubt worth an effort for Satan to stop the Christ from being the spotless sacrifice, but it was useless.

 

[Soapy]

Question: Who was it that was in the world, and the world was made by him? That came unto his own, and his own received him not?

The word of God was in the world… the Holy Spirit of God.

The Holy Spirit, the power of God, created all things and without the Holy Spirit nothing was created that was created.

The Holy Spirit came unto what it created but what it created did not receive it.

GOD’s WORD… created all things…

It is an error of interpretation, that ‘the word of God’ is called ‘He’, or ‘Him’. The Greek does not have a gender explicitly so it was down to the translator (but rather, their trinitarian overlords) who dictated that the word of God should (must) be translated as a ‘Male’ gendered entity.

Check out how ‘Wisdom’ is translated as a female gender. Is ‘Wisdom’ really a woman?

Check how we engender a Sailing Ship as ‘Female’. Seamen go into her to make her sail!

The french language (as well as others) engender many of their entities… We know that these are not PERSONS!

Moreover, Trinitarians keep in saying that:

• Jesus IS GOD

but then, contrarily say:

• Jesus is ‘the word of God’

This cannot be true.

An entity cannot be an EXPLICIT thing …AND be OF that EXPLICIT thing.

Likewise, the Holy Spirit is OF GOD. Therefore it cannot BE GOD!

A wheel OF A CAR is not THE CAR it is the wheel of?

A Son of God cannot BE THE GOD he is the Son of (gender relevant because ‘Son’ is male!)

And just in case everyone has forgotten or did not read it from a previous post of mine - the term, ‘God’ is both a TITLE and an ADJECTIVE:

• ‘Yahweh is [the] GOD’ (title)
• ‘Yahweh is GOD’ (Regal, Majestic, all powerful, glorious, the greatest, the best, head over all, without comparison, ruler, law giver, law upholder… all superlatives!!)

Thus:

• In the beginning [the] God (of Abraham,Isaac, and Jacob) spoke HIS WORD that created all things: ‘Let there be light’.
• HIS WORD was via HIS HOLY SPIRIT. God’s Holy Spirit created… it is the activation, the actor, the enabler of action.
• God spoke a word saying that a messiah would come forth from the seed of a woman… and, in the fullness of time (that God had allowed) GOD’s WORD CAME TO BE FULFILLED… GOD’s word ‘PUT ON FLESH’… and the messiah to be was born!!
• Yes, the word of [the] God was [Majestic, all powerful, overarching, wonderful…] It was ‘GOD’ …

Notice that it was by means of GOD’s Holy Spirit that Jesus AND THE DISCIPLES/APOSTLES carried out their ‘Miracles’ in the world… it was by the Holy Spirit that they spoke in languages and healed the sick, opened they eyes of the blind, raised the dead, called to mind the teachings of Christ Jesus, endured the beatings and humiliations of their work in Christ.

God’s WORD, the Word of God, What [The] God speaks… is an all powerful word. It MUST BE FULFILLED… therefore it is GOD:

• [The] God’s (title) word IS GOD (adjective/Superlative)

Thank you.

 

[Soapy]

Nobody has inherited sin. I agree with Clear.
Somehow however, maybe through gaining a knowledge of good and evil when we were not ready for it, we have become prone to sinning, doing what our desires tell us instead of what God tells us is right.
Man could not avoid sinning when there was only one prohibition, it is now overwhelming hard with so many things that we can do which are wrong,,,,,,,,,,,,and even just what is right and wrong is all jumbled up in the human race so that some call evil "good" and call good "evil".

You just counteracted yourself.

You don’t agree with inherited sin BUT you agree that somehow we INHERITED SIN from the disobedience of the first man, Adam…! From our first Father! Father of humanity.

You disagree with your own view just to disagree with the truth???

Crazy!

 

[Soapy]

So, are you trying to say that Jesus and the Holy Spirit don't share this Godship? That's what I believe, and it looks to me that's what these scriptures are saying.

Yes.

Jesus is the SON of God in flesh (Sinless and holy Man)
There are Son’s of God in Spirit Spirit (Holy and sinless Angels)

The Holy Spirit (by the way, we ADD ‘Holy’ to the ‘Spirit’ to make ‘Holy Spirit’… ‘Holy Spirit’ is not of itself a definitive title. In Genesis, the scriptures just says, ‘The Spirit of God’ not ‘The Holy Spirit of God’ - in fact, we shouldn’t even need to say, ‘Holy Spirit of God’ because God’s Spirit CAN ONLY BE HOLY!) is not a PERSON… it is ‘OF GOD’ (FROM GOD) just as:

• ‘Son of God’ is ‘OF GOD’ / ‘FROM GOD’

Plenty scriptures has Jesus saying: “I was SENT BY GOD’ or ‘Sent by the Father’.”

God cannot be SENT… nor be ‘OF’ himself, nor be ‘FROM’ himself’

Son of God means:

• ‘He who does the works of God… he who is led by the SPIRIT of God’

More directly/explicitly:

• ‘He who does the works of the Father… he who is led by the SPIRIT of the Father’

Jesus stated this plainly when he told the Jews who falsely accused him of claiming [to be EQUAL WITH] God:

• “I did not call myself God… I only said that GOD IS MY FATHER. If I am NOT doing the works of my Father then do not believe me!” (Paraphrased)

What more do you want to know about ‘Son of God’ as a definition:

• ‘All who are led by the Spirit (of God) are SONS OF GOD’

HOLY ANGELS are led by the spirit of God, likewise the only holy sinless righteous man - Jesus Christ.
Note that ADAM was also ‘Son of God’ (Luke 3:38) BEFORE he sinned!!

And it is promised that those of the elect who are cleansed and reborn WILL BE ADOPTED AS SONS OF GOD… HEIRS TO GOD with Christ Jesus.

So, if ‘Son of God’ means Jesus IS GOD then how many ‘Gods’ (or IN GOD) will there be after the adoption???

 

[moorea944]

Yes.

Jesus is the SON of God in flesh (Sinless and holy Man)
There are Son’s of God in Spirit Spirit (Holy and sinless Angels)

The Holy Spirit (by the way, we ADD ‘Holy’ to the ‘Spirit’ to make ‘Holy Spirit’… ‘Holy Spirit’ is not of itself a definitive title. In Genesis, the scriptures just says, ‘The Spirit of God’ not ‘The Holy Spirit of God’ - in fact, we shouldn’t even need to say, ‘Holy Spirit of God’ because God’s Spirit CAN ONLY BE HOLY!) is not a PERSON… it is ‘OF GOD’ (FROM GOD) just as:

• ‘Son of God’ is ‘OF GOD’ / ‘FROM GOD’

Plenty scriptures has Jesus saying: “I was SENT BY GOD’ or ‘Sent by the Father’.”

God cannot be SENT… nor be ‘OF’ himself, nor be ‘FROM’ himself’

Son of God means:

• ‘He who does the works of God… he who is led by the SPIRIT of God’

More directly/explicitly:

• ‘He who does the works of the Father… he who is led by the SPIRIT of the Father’

Jesus stated this plainly when he told the Jews who falsely accused him of claiming [to be EQUAL WITH] God:

• “I did not call myself God… I only said that GOD IS MY FATHER. If I am NOT doing the works of my Father then do not believe me!” (Paraphrased)

What more do you want to know about ‘Son of God’ as a definition:

• ‘All who are led by the Spirit (of God) are SONS OF GOD’

HOLY ANGELS are led by the spirit of God, likewise the only holy sinless righteous man - Jesus Christ.
Note that ADAM was also ‘Son of God’ (Luke 3:38) BEFORE he sinned!!

And it is promised that those of the elect who are cleansed and reborn WILL BE ADOPTED AS SONS OF GOD… HEIRS TO GOD with Christ Jesus.

So, if ‘Son of God’ means Jesus IS GOD then how many ‘Gods’ (or IN GOD) will there be after the adoption???

How true!! The Pharisees didnt understand Jesus's words at all. They thought that if God was his father, then HE would have to be a God too. And they didnt like that. That's why in John he told them that... Dont you remember that we called YOUR forefathers Gods????..... Because they were the ones that brought the word of God to the people. Moses was God to Pharaoh. The Judges were called Gods, etc, etc... But they didnt understand.... The angel in the wilderness with Moses, God's name was "in him", he represented God All Mighty, that angel could also forgive their sins too.

But Soapy, look at the world today? No clue my friend.......... Jesus HAS TO be God, ughhhh.......

 

[rational experiences]

The only father of a human is by status a father human.

To be a father you have to be human. An adult man human. You have sex with a female human adult and a baby is born.

Science. Status science in human status. I am the most wise. Highest intellect.

A human has to live with another human to state I am a human. As we observe to claim to teach.

If only one human self lived which we all are factually then we know.

If I talked to myself as one self then I would know myself.

Did a father know himself first as a father?

No.

He was just a man.

Thinking which humans do own are concepts human.

If you only know God by your father then what caused a father to be separate from his human son?

It cannot be God as a human is supported by the same God.

God in science never had a son as God in the concept created creation never first owned humans.

So then you must ask do humans lie?

Yes they do.

If a human not their father was sacrificed in human life by God. Their status as a son says my god harmed me.

As his human father gave him life.

 

[Brian2]

You just counteracted yourself.

You don’t agree with inherited sin BUT you agree that somehow we INHERITED SIN from the disobedience of the first man, Adam…! From our first Father! Father of humanity.

You disagree with your own view just to disagree with the truth???

Crazy!

We are not responsible for the actions of Adam and Eve, only for our own actions. That is what I believe and imo that is not inheriting any sin of Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve were human just as we are and showed that they were not exactly like God as Jesus is. We are like God in the sense that we are the same sort of beings. We were made to rule over the earth and take care of it and have a relationship with God. Initially they were completely perfect in all their ways and innocent and then they became guilty and the perfection was gone.

 

[moorea944]

We are not responsible for the actions of Adam and Eve, only for our own actions. That is what I believe and imo that is not inheriting any sin of Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve were human just as we are and showed that they were not exactly like God as Jesus is. We are like God in the sense that we are the same sort of beings. We were made to rule over the earth and take care of it and have a relationship with God. Initially they were completely perfect in all their ways and innocent and then they became guilty and the perfection was gone.

We dont inherit Adam's sin, we inherit a nature that is prone to sin because of Adam. It's not our crime, it's our misfortune.
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

 

[Brian2]

We dont inherit Adam's sin, we inherit a nature that is prone to sin because of Adam. It's not our crime, it's our misfortune.
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"

That is what I said I think.

 

[moorea944]

That is what I said I think.

I know, I was making a comment. Good post, thank you.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

The word of God was in the world… the Holy Spirit of God.

The Holy Spirit, the power of God, created all things and without the Holy Spirit nothing was created that was created.

The Holy Spirit came unto what it created but what it created did not receive it.

GOD’s WORD… created all things…

It is an error of interpretation, that ‘the word of God’ is called ‘He’, or ‘Him’. The Greek does not have a gender explicitly so it was down to the translator (but rather, their trinitarian overlords) who dictated that the word of God should (must) be translated as a ‘Male’ gendered entity.

Check out how ‘Wisdom’ is translated as a female gender. Is ‘Wisdom’ really a woman?

Check how we engender a Sailing Ship as ‘Female’. Seamen go into her to make her sail!

The french language (as well as others) engender many of their entities… We know that these are not PERSONS!

Moreover, Trinitarians keep in saying that:

• Jesus IS GOD

but then, contrarily say:

• Jesus is ‘the word of God’

This cannot be true.

An entity cannot be an EXPLICIT thing …AND be OF that EXPLICIT thing.

Likewise, the Holy Spirit is OF GOD. Therefore it cannot BE GOD!

A wheel OF A CAR is not THE CAR it is the wheel of?

A Son of God cannot BE THE GOD he is the Son of (gender relevant because ‘Son’ is male!)

And just in case everyone has forgotten or did not read it from a previous post of mine - the term, ‘God’ is both a TITLE and an ADJECTIVE:

• ‘Yahweh is [the] GOD’ (title)
• ‘Yahweh is GOD’ (Regal, Majestic, all powerful, glorious, the greatest, the best, head over all, without comparison, ruler, law giver, law upholder… all superlatives!!)

Thus:

• In the beginning [the] God (of Abraham,Isaac, and Jacob) spoke HIS WORD that created all things: ‘Let there be light’.
• HIS WORD was via HIS HOLY SPIRIT. God’s Holy Spirit created… it is the activation, the actor, the enabler of action.
• God spoke a word saying that a messiah would come forth from the seed of a woman… and, in the fullness of time (that God had allowed) GOD’s WORD CAME TO BE FULFILLED… GOD’s word ‘PUT ON FLESH’… and the messiah to be was born!!
• Yes, the word of [the] God was [Majestic, all powerful, overarching, wonderful…] It was ‘GOD’ …

Notice that it was by means of GOD’s Holy Spirit that Jesus AND THE DISCIPLES/APOSTLES carried out their ‘Miracles’ in the world… it was by the Holy Spirit that they spoke in languages and healed the sick, opened they eyes of the blind, raised the dead, called to mind the teachings of Christ Jesus, endured the beatings and humiliations of their work in Christ.

God’s WORD, the Word of God, What [The] God speaks… is an all powerful word. It MUST BE FULFILLED… therefore it is GOD:

• [The] God’s (title) word IS GOD (adjective/Superlative)

Thank you.

Soapy, The Holy Spirit IS God.

God is a Spirit. John 4:24
There is only ONE Spirit. Ephesians 4:4
God is Holy

Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Acts 5:3
thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Acts 5:4

but to us there is but one God, the Father. 1 Corinthians 8:6
The Holy Spirit is the Father. She was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 1:18 and Matthew 1:20

 

[Sand Dancer]

Never have the Christian believed that the Trinity is 3 gods!
that is an interperetation which Non Christians like to claim is the religion of the Christian.

LDS believe this.

 

[Soapy]

Christ is never worshiped as God, but he is worshiped to the glory of the Father.

Christ is never worshipped (full stop!)

 

[Soapy]

Soapy, The Holy Spirit IS God.

God is a Spirit. John 4:24
There is only ONE Spirit. Ephesians 4:4
God is Holy

Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Acts 5:3
thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Acts 5:4

but to us there is but one God, the Father. 1 Corinthians 8:6
The Holy Spirit is the Father. She was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 1:18 and Matthew 1:20

An oxymoron of false beliefs.

The Holy Spirit is OF the Father….

You have a SPIRIT… that Spirit is OF YOU…

The spirit is not the person, if is OF the person.

God is SPIRIT. Is not referring to the Holy Spirit of God. It is saying that GOD is NOT FLESH! God is not a being that has a physical body nor exists in a physical location.

The rest of what you said is just a confused mess of claims none of which has any substantiation in scriptures.

 

[Brian2]

I know, I was making a comment. Good post, thank you.

Your answer was probably better than mine. I have trouble knowing what exactly has caused humans to be more prone to sin now. I think it must be a combination of things.

 

[Soapy]

Brian2 said:

• “…Adam and Eve were human just as we are and showed that they were not exactly like God as Jesus is. We are like God in the sense that we are the same sort of beings….”

No, Brian2…..!!!

What a weird thing to say: ‘Adam and Eve were human as we are.’ Brian2, what do you think when you wrote something like that. Adam and Eve are the parents of humanity… how bright you are to say that we are THEY are human like us…!!! It’s much like a child saying, ‘Dad, you look like me…!!!’ No! This child looks like it’s Father… and should he not?

Also, WE ARE NOT THE SAME SORT OF BEING AS GOD…. How ridiculous you sound … even to yourself. You wonderfully mislead people who believe you!!!

GOD IS SPIRIT…. Spirit completely. Unlimited in all aspects… nothing is impossible for God.

We are SPIRIT limited by a physical flesh body subject to physical, chemical, and biological forces.

God creates Spirit - he is the Father of Spirits.

Every spirit that is embodied in flesh (every one of humanity … in fact, … all things that live have a spirit) is created by God. We ourselves CANNOT CREATE A SPIRIT.

So, NO, we are NOT the same being as God… what an awful presumption!!!

Reading your posts gives me the direct impression you really have no idea what you are saying most of the time… and other times you just say things without conviction… and still other things you say are correct but out of context with the discussion point. You say them as they agree but you don’t continue to believe them s elsewhere in your posts.

 

[Soapy]

Your answer was probably better than mine. I have trouble knowing what exactly has caused humans to be more prone to sin now. I think it must be a combination of things.

‘A combinations of things’ that make humans more prone to sin now?

No! Same old thing (singular!): a refusal (negative pride) to be led by the spirit of God!

All sin is initiated by this one thing!

 

[TrueBeliever37]

An oxymoron of false beliefs.

The Holy Spirit is OF the Father….

You have a SPIRIT… that Spirit is OF YOU…

The spirit is not the person, if is OF the person.

God is SPIRIT. Is not referring to the Holy Spirit of God. It is saying that GOD is NOT FLESH! God is not a being that has a physical body nor exists in a physical location.

The rest of what you said is just a confused mess of claims none of which has any substantiation in scriptures.

Come on Soapy - The Holy Spirit is the Father, because she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 1:18-20

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. God said he would pour out of his Spirit on all flesh. Joel 2:28 and Acts 2:17-18

You called the scriptures I gave a confused mess, rather than have to deal with it. The scriptures said Why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit? You haven't lied to men but to God. (And you are so bold as to call the scriptures a mess?)

 

[TrueBeliever37]

An oxymoron of false beliefs.

The Holy Spirit is OF the Father….

You have a SPIRIT… that Spirit is OF YOU…

The spirit is not the person, if is OF the person.

God is SPIRIT. Is not referring to the Holy Spirit of God. It is saying that GOD is NOT FLESH! God is not a being that has a physical body nor exists in a physical location.

The rest of what you said is just a confused mess of claims none of which has any substantiation in scriptures.

Almost everything I said in that post was direct scriptural quotes and you called it false beliefs and a confused mess of claims.