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You are what you’re raised
- Thread starter Jimmy
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I don't know. I didn't turn out much like my parents planned.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
What does that even mean? How would you raise someone to be gay?
So do you think straight folks are only straight because they were raised that way?
Well, the Ancient Greco-Romans did it. It was surprising to them when men were only interested in women as male bisexuality was the norm, because they were raised with it. The well-known pederasty was all over and most men were sexually aroused by it, we can safely assume, as they kept engaging in it. The complete inverse is true of our culture where bisexual men are a minority.
It seems likely that sexuality is mostly a hardware issue but might also contain some software, i.e., socialisation.
I never understood why folks feel its nature vs nurture... seems the two would go hand in hand.So nurture is everything unless there's also nature?
When you add in epigenetics it becomes even more complicated.So nurture is everything unless there's also nature?
I think the question is what affects a person more. And sometimes the two sides duke it out.
I would wager nature dictates how much nurture matters, but I could be wrong.
I was wrong once before.
Although sometimes a strong nurturing can redirect a particular nature.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Hypothetical
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
Idk something to think about Haha. Just think if everyone around you was gay. The chances that you’d follow suit would be high imo.
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Have you ever actually spoken to someone who was gay and asked them about how they were raised?
Do you really believe that most people who are gay were "raised gay"?
I think the idea is nonsense.
Jimmy
King Phenomenon
raised gay? no. See post #6 this will shed light
'Gay' is a concept that was founded in the very late 19th c. and not really applied until the 20th.
See,
'"Wresting the Victorians from the prison of dour, prudish stereotypes to which their children and grandchildren consigned them is a project that has occupied scholars for more than a few decades now. Goldhill, a professor at Cambridge, has produced an insightful contribution to that effort. But even more resonant for our own times of sexual and gender heterodoxy—when ambiguity is the new frontier—is what the Bensons can tell us about the prehistory. As a great deal of queer history has by now demonstrated, the strictly defined categories of “homosexual” and “heterosexual” are relatively new: bright lines drawn across the late-20th-century sexual landscape that made “coming out” a dichotomous choice.
For the Victorians, the situation was much more fluid. A woman’s romantic interest in another woman could be seen as excellent preparation for marriage. Though sex between men was a criminal offense (in Britain, lesbianism was invisible before the law), there was, as yet, hardly a homosexual identity defined by same-sex desire. Until the early 1950s, a man could have sex with another man without thinking himself in any respect “abnormal”—as long as he steered clear of the feminine dress or behavior that marked a so-called pouf or queen. To pry off the Benson roof is to ask the question: What was it like to live before and during the invention of modern sexuality?'
'Gay' is a modern identity applied to people who prefer sex with people of the same sex. It wasn't seen this way pre 20th c. and many people we'd call 'gay' today didn't even understand the meaning of the term, let alone applied it to themselves,
Was it possible, Arthur wondered, that he had “the soul of a woman in the body of a man”? Even though the term homosexual was coming into currency, he did not use it until 1924, the year before he died. And when he did use it, after a theoretical conversation on the subject with Fred, he wrote the word out—“the homo sexual question”—in a way that suggested unfamiliarity.
So yes, a 'gay' identity is at least a modern conception we are in fact raised with.
Just once
Nah, chances are I'd still be ace, actually. Sex in humans is gross no matter who is doing it.
Plants, on the other hand...