You can not find God as a physical being

[muhammad_isa]

I did not know Muslims used "G-d" rather than "God". Is this common?

Absolutely not
I am unique. Well, we all are in our own ways.
I am a "person of the book" .. I was raised as a Christian, actually.
I spend a lot of time on internet forums, and I find it a useful shorthand, denoting respect. I am not anti-semetic.
..and of course, I'm not anti-God

 

[Nimos]

I suppose G-d could be a fish, or a sheep or an ant too..
I'm not sure why He'd "want" to.

Me neither, but then again I don't know why he would bother to create anything for that matter?

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

I do already believe life exist without the shell as you called it, our true being is light ( in my current understanding) the body is not the real being.

The problem is the body is a real thing unfortunately , we are just a poorly constructed energy beings .

 

[Spirit of Light]

The problem is the body is a real thing unfortunately , we are just a poorly constructed energy beings .

is the body a solid mass or if you zoom deep enough, you find empty space?

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

is the body a solid mass or if you zoom deep enough, you find empty space?

Well the thing is space is nothing , an unknown volume that doesn't move . Your body mass occupies space and when you move the space inside you is actually different space than your previous position . Space is ''ghostly'' and very fascinating .

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well the thing is space is nothing but an unknown volume that doesn't move . Your body mass occupies space and when you move the space inside you is actually different space than your previous postition . Space is ''ghostly'' and very fascinating .

I change "space" to emptiness so you maybe understand what I asking.
Is there emptiness between atoms if you zoon deep enough?

 

[Nimos]

My understanding of God is that God is higher form of consciousness, something prophets gain from their spiritual practicing. So embodiment means they have God within them and by that is the physical representation of God

Do you believe that the story with the burning bush is true? if that is the case, didn't God seem to take the shape of the bush or something that could be described as being physically visible to the naked eye?

Exodus 3:2-6
2 - And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush was burning, yet it was not consumed.
3 - And Moses said, “I will turn aside to see this great sight, why the bush is not burned.”
4 - When the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the bush, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.”
5 - Then he said, “Do not come near; take your sandals off your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.”
6 - And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.

Otherwise it wouldn't make much sense for Moses to be afraid of looking at God or the bush or whatever form God decided to represent himself as in front of Moses.

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

I change "space" to emptiness so you maybe understand what I asking.
Is there emptiness between atoms if you zoon deep enough?

It depends on the state of the molecules . If hf/V excedes the rate of emission , the molecules become an excited state and start to produce more kE . As a result of this there is a density increase in energy and a thermodynamic increase that will force the atoms to force each other apart , increasing the measure of space between the atoms .
In normal conditions , there is density function , m/V , mass divided by volume , the denser the mass, the more compact the atoms are . Absolute density having no space between the atoms .

 

[Spirit of Light]

Do you believe that the story with the burning bush is true? if that is the case, didn't God seem to take the shape of the bush or something that could be described as being physically visible to the naked eye?

Exodus 3:2-6
2 - And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush was burning, yet it was not consumed.
3 - And Moses said, “I will turn aside to see this great sight, why the bush is not burned.”
4 - When the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the bush, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.”
5 - Then he said, “Do not come near; take your sandals off your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.”
6 - And he said, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.

Otherwise it wouldn't make much sense for Moses to be afraid of looking at God or the bush or whatever form God decided to represent himself as in front of Moses.

My understanding of this story from the Bible is that if Moses saw the true existence of God, Moses would have died, as long we are in human form, we can not see God in God true form.

I am not going to speculate in how God made the bush speak and burn, because I do not know the answer

 

[Spirit of Light]

It depends on the state of the molecules . If hf/V excedes the rate of emission , the molecules become an excited state and start to produce more kE . As a result of this there is a density increase in energy and a thermodynamic increase that will force the atoms to force each other apart , increasing the measure of space between the atoms .
In normal conditions , there is density function , m/V , mass divided by volume , the denser the mass, the more compact the atoms are . Absolute density having no space between the atoms .

I realized one thing that make it difficult for me, you speak only science language in terms of physical existence, what I speak of is the spiritual aspects of life. And then science language has no value.

 

[TheBrokenSoul]

I realized one thing that make it difficult for me, you speak only science language in terms of physical existence, what I speak of is the spiritual aspects of life. And then science language has no value.

The spirit of the human body is electrical energy , all the information in our neurological reference frames is light .

 

[syo]

Any thoughts?

Gods are the eternal. Just look at a tree; the 'eternal tree' is God.

 

[Spirit of Light]

The spirit of the human body is electrical energy , all the information in our neurological reference frames is light .

Is the spirit same as the body to you?

 

[Nimos]

My understanding of this story from the Bible is that if Moses saw the true existence of God, Moses would have died, as long we are in human form, we can not see God in God true form.

I am not going to speculate in how God made the bush speak and burn, because I do not know the answer

What I mean is, that Moses most have thought that God was in a visible form, because he already looked at the bush. Then God spoke to him and then he turned away. So God obviously couldn't have been the burning bush in that case, because as you say then Moses would have died. But Moses could have kept looking at it if he wanted, if he didn't think that God would appear. So at least Moses must have been convinced that God could manifest in some shape or form here on Earth, which is visible to humans, if that makes sense?

 

[Spirit of Light]

What I mean is, that Moses most have thought that God was in a visible form, because he already looked at the bush. Then God spoke to him and then he turned away. So God obviously couldn't have been the burning bush in that case, because as you say then Moses would have died. But Moses could have kept looking at it if he wanted, if he didn't think that God would appear. So at least Moses must have been convinced that God could manifest in some shape or form here on Earth, which is visible to humans, if that makes sense?

I understand what you describing, but I can not give answer for what Moses may or may not thought or saw

 

[Nimos]

I understand what you describing, but I can not give answer for what Moses may or may not thought or saw

Obviously I don't expect you to do that, if that were the case, I would be very interested in asking you some questions

But I hope you see my point, that if God is purely a higher consciousness, you are going to run into a lot of problems, again Moses clearly thought so. The bible acknowledge this as well, simply by saying that anyone that looks at God will die. Which would be impossible, if he were just some higher consciousness, which would also mean that the bible and Moses got it wrong. Which leads to a whole lot of other issues obviously.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..Otherwise it wouldn't make much sense for Moses to be afraid of looking at God or the bush or whatever form God decided to represent himself as in front of Moses.

Would you be "afraid" of a huge, mighty thunderbolt/flash?
..because I would !

 

[Spirit of Light]

Obviously I don't expect you to do that, if that were the case, I would be very interested in asking you some questions

But I hope you see my point, that if God is purely a higher consciousness, you are going to run into a lot of problems, again Moses clearly thought so. The bible acknowledge this as well, simply by saying that anyone that looks at God will die. Which would be impossible, if he were just some higher consciousness, which would also mean that the bible and Moses got it wrong. Which leads to a whole lot of other issues obviously.

If different people from the Bible history or from other Scripture we're are different spiritual wisdom level, they would have explained the same topic differently because they would have understood the truth of the topic from different level of truth.

 

[Nimos]

Would you be "afraid" of a huge, mighty thunderbolt/flash?
..because I would !

Sure, if it was a thunderstorm and I were exposed. But no im not afraid of thunderbolts being shot out of burning bushes, if that is what you mean?

Im in general not afraid of anything that hasn't been demonstrated of why I ought to be afraid of them.

Are you afraid of an Ikusik?
(A fast living corpse crawling on its elbows that chases and eat people alive, its an old Inuit creature.)

I assume the answer is no, why aren't you afraid of that?

 

[sun rise]

Do you believe that the story with the burning bush is true?

Literally true as a real bush etc? No. As a metaphorical image that would communicate to the people of the time and place? Yes.

There is endless speculation about the meaning of this image such as The Burning Bush (Ex 3:1-6): A study of natural phenomena as manifestation of divine presence in the Old Testament and in African context