You can not prove that God does not exist!!

[Rioku]

Absolutley fantastic! Spot on! :yes:

Thanks

I think most rational people understand, as you do, that one cannot prove the non-existence of a thing (i.e. a "thing" necessarily exists or it's not a thing --it's nothing).

It is starting to seem that my experience with this argument is in minority. It was just the other day I had to explain to three people why saying you can not prove god does not exists is a useless point.

Are you saying that ALL religions claim that "god" cannot/will not reveal itself?

No

Aside from this perhaps you could outline to my stunted intellect just why god would not longer be god if he revealed himself to his followers. In theory "god" can do as "he" pleases and it is not for you or I to hem "god" in to what said "god" can or cannot do.

I think I see where you are coming from, but I do not want to get into the debate because it is frivolous. We can argue for the rest of our lives, as many men do, about god. When in reality there is no god so I will not get into it more then this last sentence. God is supposed to be perfect, and the bible is supposed to be the word of god, so god can not contradict himself.

I am playing the Devil's Advocate here.

I kind of see what you are trying to do when playing Devil's Advocate.

Your example is absolute rubbish. Surely you can do better.

True true, thanks for the criticism.

Well, hopefully there is something to learn from your viewpoint, however superficial and somewhat obvious that knowledge may prove to be.

What do you mean by my superficial viewpoint?

How is that a paradox? The whole thing resolves itself if you allow for the possibility that God was misquoted.

Again not worth debating, simply put you can not allow for god to be misquoted. If you allow for that there is a never ending list of points that you can say God was misquoted on.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

If you allow for that there is a never ending list of points that you can say God was misquoted on.

That is the point.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I want to make it clear for those who are unfamiliar with the arguing point that there is no way to prove god does not exist and that point does not make them correct.

Mundane pedantry can easily be more tiresome than helpful. Instead of offering underwhelming advice for dealing with caricatures, perhaps you'd make better use of time by engaging the actual arguments posted in actual threads. Meanwhile, we on our part will make sure to call on you if we feel in need of your instruction. :yes:

 

[angellous_evangellous]

***MOD ADVISORY***

Please be civil and stay on topic.

Thanks,

A_E

 

[YmirGF]

***MOD ADVISORY***

Please be civil and stay on topic.

Thanks,

A_E

Party Pooper!

 

[logician]

Actually, you can prove that various god concepts are not true. Say your god is the largest prime number, however, it has been proven a number of times that there are an infinite number of primes, therefore, your god cannot exist (there is no largest prime).

Many god concepts can be disproven on a logical basis, requiring, of course, belief in the unscientific or impossible to believe in that god.

 

[Rioku]

Mundane pedantry can easily be more tiresome than helpful. Instead of offering underwhelming advice for dealing with caricatures, perhaps you'd make better use of time by engaging the actual arguments posted in actual threads. Meanwhile, we on our part will make sure to call on you if we feel in need of your instruction.

This deserves a response for the simple reason that it is clear that you missed the point. It may be true that you have long known that insignificance of the main topic of this thread but it seems you lack the interest in moving the even larger argument forward. If the average human can not move past the most basic of the god arguments then there is little point in arguing any further.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

... it seems you lack the interest in moving the even larger argument forward.

No, I lack enthusiasm for your paternalistic pedantry. But that's just me ...

 

[Rioku]

No, I lack enthusiasm for your paternalistic pedantry. But that's just me ...

They why comment in the first place. So far your comments have contributed nothing. Also, there is no paternal or authoritative influence in this thread at all.

 

[Mister Emu]

Because you can not prove it does not mean science can not prove it.

There are many things I know to be that science can not prove.

where god told us that he will not prove he exists

He did?

 

[Storm]

When in reality there is no god

Now see, the problem is that when you make statements like this (positive claim), you take up the burden of proof. So I'm going to be a b**** and challenge you to either prove it or retract the claim.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What you have stated, directly aimed at the OP, is the very basis of parapsychology. That is, nothing can be proven or disproven. Bits of eyewitness accounts there, some scientific evidence against here, drug enduced halucinagines over there, and some scientist claiming otherwise over here.
God will never be proven nor disproven as far as science goes.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Again not worth debating, simply put you can not allow for god to be misquoted. If you allow for that there is a never ending list of points that you can say God was misquoted on.

Why can't you allow for God to be misquoted? Any message He may have given humanity has been filtered through imperfect humans?

It strikes me as odd when atheists take a more literal, fundamentalist stance on the scriptures of a religion than that of even its most extreme believers.

In any case, there are plenty of religious beliefs that don't fit the Abrahamic model of an omnipotent/omniscient/omnibenevolent single god. Plenty of religions believe in gods that are either not omnipotent and/or omniscient, or are not always perfectly benevolent.

You may be able to make a case against "every-word-in-the-Bible-is-literally-true" fundamentalist Christianity; the problem is that this doesn't describe the beliefs of most religious people... heck, it doesn't even describe the beliefs of most Christians.

 

[Rioku]

Now see, the problem is that when you make statements like this (positive claim), you take up the burden of proof. So I'm going to be a b**** and challenge you to either prove it or retract the claim.

The entire point of this thread is that it is simply impossible to prove that god does not exist. And your using circular logic, if someone makes a claim it is always safe to assume it is false until evidence in given. So for the statement god exists I am simply assuming that statement is false until evidence is given. But again we are getting off topic.
My whole goal of this thread is to make sure people stop asking to prove god does not exist. For in every instance the argument is useless.

 

[YmirGF]

The entire point of this thread is that it is simply impossible to prove that god does not exist. And your using circular logic, if someone makes a claim it is always safe to assume it is false until evidence in given. So for the statement god exists I am simply assuming that statement is false until evidence is given. But again we are getting off topic.
My whole goal of this thread is to make sure people stop asking to prove god does not exist. For in every instance the argument is useless.

Oy vey. Ok, I am getting rather bored with your trifles. Let's say you just ignore the other posters for a bit and simply outline you esteemed opinions, m'kay.

*lobs the football to Rioku*

"Run, Frodo! RUN!"

 

[Willamena]

When in reality there is no god so I will not get into it more then this last sentence.

So, you are one who accepts things as true or real without "proof"?

 

[Storm]

The entire point of this thread is that it is simply impossible to prove that god does not exist. And your using circular logic, if someone makes a claim it is always safe to assume it is false until evidence in given. So for the statement god exists I am simply assuming that statement is false until evidence is given. But again we are getting off topic.

What circular logic? You made positive claim, and in doing so, took up the burden of proof. I didn't say anything about an argument being false until proven, that drivel came entirely from you.

My whole goal of this thread is to make sure people stop asking to prove god does not exist. For in every instance the argument is useless.

The thread is useless. If you want people to stop challenging you to prove that God does not exist, stop making positive claim. As it is, my challenge stands unmet. Either prove that God exists, as we both know you cannot, retract the claim, or reveal yourself as intellectually dishonest. Your choice.

 

[logician]

So, you are one who accepts things as true or real without "proof"?

Isn't that true of most all religious beliefs?

 

[Storm]

Isn't that true of most all religious beliefs?

Since when is atheism a religion?

 

[Random]

Since when is atheism a religion?

Since atheists began treating it with evangelical and religious fervour and piety, and based their thinking on a belief that is insupportable (ie. "God does not exist").