You Got To Be Kidding Again

[Quetzal]

Common sense has justified imprisoning everyone of Japanese ancestry, NSA surveilling us all, taking away the right to jury trials
for short sentences, etc.
To give government unconstitutional powers over us is one case
where the slippery slope isn't a fallacy. Once the USSC allows
a violation of the Constitution, stare decisis enshrines it as law.
It can then be expanded upon, eg, Petty Offense Doctrine.

He could simply pass it as an executive order and be done with it. By the way, none of these things you mentioned are comparable to a pandemic in my opinon.

 

[Revoltingest]

He could simply pass it as an executive order and be done with it. By the way, none of these things you mentioned are comparable to a pandemic in my opinon.

And executive order that violates the Constitution
would be an illegal order. Is it a good idea to allow
presidents to violate it? Consider that such power
might accrue to not just Biden, but also someone
like Trump.

 

[Quetzal]

And executive order that violates the Constitution
would be an illegal order.

Okay, you win.

 

[Revoltingest]

Okay, you win.

You don't get off that easy. You must hear my alternative....

The President should use the bully pulpit to make a compelling
case to the states to do what is in their (not the fed's) power.
to curb spread of the disease. If the Prez's argument is
cogent & convincing, states would go along voluntarily.

Please excuse my invoking Trump to drive the point home.

 

[Quetzal]

If the Prez's argument is
cogent & convincing, states would go along voluntarily.

But they won't. It will be split down the party line like it always is.

 

[Revoltingest]

But they won't. It will be split down the party line like it always is.

The result won't be perfect. But neither would an
executive order, because it wouldn't be enforceable.
States that resisted would prevail in court.

The Constitution is a very inconvenient document.
At times it gets in the way of good policies. But it
also prevents government from having unlimited
power over us. What if Trump weren't constrained
by the Constitution...how'd that have worked for us?
He'd be starting his 2nd term.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Please excuse my invoking Trump to drive the point home.

Trump? I was thinking Teddy Roosevelt. He grabbed that bully pulpit by the balls and got stuff done.
Trump was just four years of ceaseless "blaughghghgouughghhhgh ME SPECIAL bughghgblahblaublahugh. ME DO GOOD YOU LIKE bluuuuuuuu!"

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump? I was thinking Teddy Roosevelt. He grabbed that bully pulpit by the balls and got stuff done.
Trump was just four years of ceaseless "blaughghghgouughghhhgh ME SPECIAL bughghgblahblaublahugh. ME DO GOOD YOU LIKE bluuuuuuuu!"

I invoked Trump as an example of one who
should not have unconstitutional power.

 

[Heyo]

Seriously? What the issue here is tyranny and freedom. You don't have eyes to see or ears to hear.

America: "Give me liberty or give me death!"
Coronavirus; "Why? You can have both."

 

[Heyo]

You don't get off that easy. You must hear my alternative....

The President should use the bully pulpit to make a compelling
case to the states to do what is in their (not the fed's) power.
to curb spread of the disease. If the Prez's argument is
cogent & convincing, states would go along voluntarily.

Please excuse my invoking Trump to drive the point home.

That's how we do it. The governors of the states and the chancellor meet every 4 weeks to discuss and decide measures (online). The decisions are proclaimed and then each state will find special ways and excuses not to implement the measures.

 

[SomeRandom]

Other countries have different constitutions,
& not all are republics. Authoritarian countries
like China have a big advantage over Ameristan
when dealing with a plague.

So freedom comes at the expense of not being able to survive a plague efficiently?
Seems a harsh trade off, but what do I know?
We’ve lifted our mask restrictions and peeps are desperate not to go back to severe lockdown. I expect people will be more than willing to get the jab because masks are a pain. But that’s just the vibe I’ve gotten. Could be wrong.

You know, growing up I’d always hear people lament the anti science crowd never lived through a pandemic. So if they did then they would be more grateful and open to science. All I’ve seen is the “anti science crowd” double down and throw tantrums.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's how we do it. The governors of the states and the chancellor meet every 4 weeks to discuss and decide measures (online). The decisions are proclaimed and then each state will find special ways and excuses not to implement the measures.

It's a collection of imperfect systems, eh.
But I prefer this kind of inefficiency to the efficiency
of an all powerful central government like China's.
Each has its advantages & disadvantages.

 

[Revoltingest]

So freedom comes at the expense of not being able to survive a plague efficiently?
Seems a harsh trade off, but what do I know?

Harsh indeed. It's a matter of personal preference.
I'd rather endure Ameristan's inefficiencies than China's
efficiencies. (I've heard stories from family there.)

We’ve lifted our mask restrictions and peeps are desperate not to go back to severe lockdown. I expect people will be more than willing to get the jab because masks are a pain. But that’s just the vibe I’ve gotten. Could be wrong.

You know, growing up I’d always hear people lament the anti science crowd never lived through a pandemic. So if they did then they would be more grateful and open to science. All I’ve seen is the “anti science crowd” double down and throw tantrums.

FYI, I'm a big fan of science, vaccines, masks, & especially
social distancing. More people should be like me, eh.

 

[ecco]

You know, growing up I’d always hear people lament the anti science crowd never lived through a pandemic. So if they did then they would be more grateful and open to science. All I’ve seen is the “anti science crowd” double down and throw tantrums.

Yep.

It really makes you wonder about the basic intelligence of some people.

 

[SomeRandom]

Harsh indeed. It's a matter of personal preference.
I'd rather endure Ameristan's inefficiencies than China's
efficiencies. (I've heard stories from family there.)

I don’t know if travel restrictions are comparable to China. Seems a tad over dramatic.

FYI, I'm a big fan of science, vaccines, masks, & especially
social distancing. More people should be like me, eh.

Well the science does say closing down borders and restricting travel is a good idea. I think WHO just urged all countries to shut their boarders.

 

[Secret Chief]

How dare Biden...try to slow down a virus?

He's like Pol Pot all over again. Today stopping a pathogen, tomorrow compulsory gayness.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don’t know if travel restrictions are comparable to China. Seems a tad over dramatic.

I spoke of China's governmental authority over its populace
in general. Sure, our system is less efficient at dealing with
plagues. But it's also less efficient at oppressing us.

Well the science does say closing down borders and restricting travel is a good idea. I think WHO just urged all countries to shut their boarders.

I'm happy to travel to no foreign countries.
Tis one great thing about the plague.

 

[SomeRandom]

I spoke of China's governmental authority over its populace
in general. Sure, our system is less efficient at dealing with
plagues. But it's also less efficient at oppressing us.

Or so they want you to think.
*cue X Files music*

I'm happy to travel to no foreign countries.
Tis one great thing about the plague.

I had a full trip booked literally just before the whole thing really took off. Had to fight tooth and nail for the refund even though I had a cancel for any reason clause in my insurance.
How rude!

 

[Revoltingest]

Or so they want you to think.
*cue X Files music*

Sometimes US propaganda gets it right.
Our government is indeed less oppressive than China's.
At least it's so regarding Revoltistanians in this century.

I had a full trip booked literally just before the whole thing really took off. Had to fight tooth and nail for the refund even though I had a cancel for any reason clause in my insurance.
How rude!

I have tickets for which I expect to lose the money.
This is good.
It means that I won't be flying.

 

[SomeRandom]

Sometimes US propaganda gets it right.
Our government is indeed less oppressive than China's.
At least it's so regarding Revoltistanians in this century.

For now. Beware the ever roving eye of Uncle Sam.

I have tickets for which I expect to lose the money.
This is good.
It means that I won't be flying.

A bit sad. I like travelling. It’s like broadening your mind or whatever.