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You know things are wacky when G. W. Bush is a voice of reason.

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
When the "free press" stops being objective journalists and becomes simply the mouthpiece for one particular ideology then all bets are off.
Not to the extent that should allow any means of censorship/special treatment from the government.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
When the "free press" stops being objective journalists and becomes simply the mouthpiece for one particular ideology then all bets are off.
What ideology do the multitude of republicans who are critical of Trump belong to? The issue with Trump goes well beyond partisanship; it has to do with legitimate concerns regarding ethics and competency.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
He wasn't my first choice for Prez, & he continues to justify not being first choice.
I'll hope for the best, & plan for the worst.
Yes, actually he was. Whatever was in your mind is irrelevant. You voted for him. You chose him. You can whine about your limited options, but you had a choice and you made it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes, actually he was. Whatever was in your mind is irrelevant. You voted for him. You chose him. You can whine about your limited options, but you had a choice and you made it.
You misunderstand.....Gary Johnson was my first choice, & Bernie was second.
Voting for Trump was because these choices were unavailable...if one wanted
to influence the election's outcome.
I understand your dismay at my having voted for the lesser of 2 evils.
Your gal lost.
Here....
cry-baby-tissues.jpg


See what happens when you invoke the "whining" barb?
I get all cranky, & start posting pix.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I haven't heard anything from Trump which threatens a free press.
A war of words with them is part & parcel of this liberty.

Really? I'd disagree, although I'd make the point that this type of passive agressive exclusions has been done by previous governments too, so let's not get hyperbolic on Trump.

But yeah...Favouring of some media outlets over others goes beyond a war of words imho.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
You misunderstand.....Gary Johnson was my first choice, & Bernie was second.
Voting for Trump was because these choices were unavailable...if one wanted
to influence the election's outcome.
I understand your dismay at my having voted for the lesser of 2 evils.
Your gal lost.
Here....
cry-baby-tissues.jpg


See what happens when you invoke the "whining" barb?
I get all cranky, & start posting pix.
You don't understand. You didn't have a first , second, or third choice. You only had one vote, one opportunity to choose. And for whatever reason, you did not choose Gary. You did not choose Bernie. Maybe you wanted to, but you didn't. You chose Donald.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
The Devil is in the details.
To win a war against ISIS could be reasonable.
To get back into nation building would be disastrous.

Btw, I'm OK with increasing defense spending, but not offense spending.

"defense spending, but not offense spending."

Too often those two can mean the same thing.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Not to the extent that should allow any means of censorship/special treatment from the government.

The President, or any one else, has the right not to be grilled by disingenuous partisans posing as real reporters.


What ideology do the multitude of republicans who are critical of Trump belong to? The issue with Trump goes well beyond partisanship; it has to do with legitimate concerns regarding ethics and competency.


Obviously you misunderstood the post. We're talking about journalists who should be politically neutral and objective in reporting the news.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
You misunderstand.....Gary Johnson was my first choice, & Bernie was second.
Voting for Trump was because these choices were unavailable...if one wanted
to influence the election's outcome.
I understand your dismay at my having voted for the lesser of 2 evils.
Your gal lost.
Here....
cry-baby-tissues.jpg


See what happens when you invoke the "whining" barb?
I get all cranky, & start posting pix.

"Voting for Trump was because these choices were unavailable...if one wanted
to influence the election's outcome."

You didn't influence the election's outcome. Feel free to vote for who you believe in, that's more important then pretending your vote made a difference.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Dubya was on my awful list for a long time but he went up in my estimation with his remarks about investigating the Russian connection and the importance of a strong press. Meanwhile the current regime has joined ones even worse than Russia in barring media from their propaganda sessions (so called press briefings).
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Really? I'd disagree, although I'd make the point that this type of passive agressive exclusions has been done by previous governments too, so let's not get hyperbolic on Trump.

But yeah...Favouring of some media outlets over others goes beyond a war of words imho.
His favoring (note cromulent spelling) some outlets is nothing new or abnormal.
He just does it differently.....just openly & with venom.
Animosity hasn't reined in anyone....& has even inspired increased criticism.
That's liberty.
Moreover, info provided is still available to others for reporting & commentary.
Trump has no new laws or administrative decrees which infringe upon free speech.
Bill Clinton was worse in his attempts to curb speech...but his party had no objections.
As I recall, only Libertarians raised a red flag.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You don't understand. You didn't have a first , second, or third choice. You only had one vote, one opportunity to choose. And for whatever reason, you did not choose Gary. You did not choose Bernie. Maybe you wanted to, but you didn't. You chose Donald.
I think our disagreement is just one of terminology.
We need something better to argue about.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Don't forget that Dubya started 2 wars costing us over a trillion samolians.
He also increased taxation, spending, the deficit, & regulation.
To be worse than Bush, Trump will have to develop his record much more.
It took a while for Dubya to make his name. Trump is outrunning him in an impressive way.
 
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