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Your suggestions for relocation places for Americans post election

Viker

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Not as stable as I once thought, unfortunately.

It seems likely that the Conservatives will get in - and probably get a majority - next time.

Kind of like the US, our right wing has morphed over the years. It used to be mostly about fiscal restraint, but now it's chock-full of anti-choicers, climate change denialists, and anti-vaxxers (including a fair number of MPs and potential candidates who supported or participated in the occupation in Ottawa or the border blockades).

I'm expecting things to be a fair bit worse than they were under Stephen Harper, and that wasn't a great time.
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Why is it, how is it, that in a stable and free country the overeeactionaries keep popping up, especially when things are getting better? It's like the right wingers love instability and chaos so much they'll go to great lengths to destroy that stability. I don't get it.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Heyo said:
I'm all for population control. I find the number, derived by scientists, of 2 billion people for a sustainable ecosystem most rational.
It's not about the number of people on Earth, but about the number of people in a specific area. And China isn't that overpopulated compared to other places like Japan or most of Europe.

Hong Kong is definitely a place that is very densely populated (as is Singapore).
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I’m going to take word of someone
who lives here on whether China is
overpopulated.
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
Viker said:
Why is it, how is it, that in a stable and free country the overeeactionaries keep popping up, especially when things are getting better? It's like the right wingers love instability and chaos so much they'll go to great lengths to destroy that stability. I don't get it.
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We have a saying in Germany, "wenn's dem Esel zu wohl wird, geht er auf's Eis" (If things become too comfortable for the donkey, he dances on the ice.)
Meaning: people have bad memories. Rights and liberties our fathers had to fight for, are seen as a given, and become less important. We are well off, and we will risk the comfort for some excitement. And even if we see the danger, we downplay it out of laziness.
How bad can it get? Read a history book of the time the regressives want to get to, that's how bad.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Viker said:
Why is it, how is it, that in a stable and free country the overeeactionaries keep popping up, especially when things are getting better? It's like the right wingers love instability and chaos so much they'll go to great lengths to destroy that stability. I don't get it.
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You can’t get it while in the grip of such extreme bias that you’d
think it’s them others what’s irrational.
 
RestlessSoul

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
Vee said:
I would bypass France. We're great at a lot of things, but hospitality is not our strong suit and salaries here are much, much lower that in the US. FYI, the UK has been turned into something similar to California with insane prices and loads of criminality. Not the best option either. Hope this helps.
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French people are much nicer than advertised, in my experience. Your politics appears deeply ****ed though, so not likely to appeal to Yanks on the run from Trump.
 
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RestlessSoul

RestlessSoul

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Viker said:
Why is it, how is it, that in a stable and free country the overeeactionaries keep popping up, especially when things are getting better? It's like the right wingers love instability and chaos so much they'll go to great lengths to destroy that stability. I don't get it.
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I'll have a guess and say that stagnant wages, growing income disparity, increased levels of personal debt, and shortage of affordable housing are factors pushing people to the extremes throughout the developed world. And it's no good pointing at headline figures which suggest a booming economy, when only the fortunate few with assets and investments are benefiting.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Heyo said:
We have a saying in Germany, "wenn's dem Esel zu wohl wird, geht er auf's Eis" (If things become too comfortable for the donkey, he dances on the ice.)
Meaning: people have bad memories. Rights and liberties our fathers had to fight for, are seen as a given, and become less important. We are well off, and we will risk the comfort for some excitement. And even if we see the danger, we downplay it out of laziness.
How bad can it get? Read a history book of the time the regressives want to get to, that's how bad.
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I think a lot of the problem in the US right now - and Canada too - comes down to Christianity, especially Evangelicalism.

In the narrative presented to them, secular government isn't something for protection of rights or an apparatus to provide societal benefits; these things - all the ones that matter, anyway - come from God.

Instead, they see secular government as a threat to be either subjugated and controlled or simply undermined.

... so I don't think that it's so much that they don't care about their rights - they care very much about certain threats to their rights - but I think it's more that they see the government as a threat to their rights.
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
I think a lot of the problem in the US right now - and Canada too - comes down to Christianity, especially Evangelicalism.

In the narrative presented to them, secular government isn't something for protection of rights or an apparatus to provide societal benefits; these things - all the ones that matter, anyway - come from God.

Instead, they see secular government as a threat to be either subjugated and controlled or simply undermined.

... so I don't think that it's so much that they don't care about their rights - they care very much about certain threats to their rights - but I think it's more that they see the government as a threat to their rights.
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The numbers of religious are shrinking fast, and they are in panic mode. They fear they will be treated as they have treated the unbelievers. But they aren't the only ones in panic. The US empire is in decline. That creates an unholy alliance of nationalist Christians. They both lash out at the impending doom.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
danieldemol said:
Welcome to all Trump opposers wishing to become Australian in my view, but do mind the snakes and spiders as some of them are rather deadly. Also if you relocate to the tropics be wary of crocodiles and jellyfish
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Oz. The land where everything living there wants to kill you. Except at the pub. *grin*
 
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