Your view of heaven

[Unveiled Artist]

What is the point of all of this?

Is then Universe nothing but a swirling ball of Chaos and junk?

Is the meaning of life a purely subjective construct?

Is reality NOTHING MORE THAN YOU THINK IT IS?

The answer to this question, and all other questions is:

YES!!
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If you are living as if there is a concept of a positive afterlife, what is that experience like? If you dont believe in the afterlife, please let me know. You could imagine too of what you think an afterlife "would" be like if it exists.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

On earth as is in heaven. "heaven" is here on earth. For all those who survive the great tribulation. 144,000 will reside in heaven and govern over the earth. That is the small flock, we are the large flock.

Would you be a spirit living after the tribulation? How would you experience this if not? What is the importance of governing the earth (sounds like politics, imo, what the church still does) id think heaven would be equality rather than governed by authority.

How would it be governed? What is the positive naturw governing something? What would you think the experience would be?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Who the hell would know about heaven, we cannot even understand our own environment, heaven is just a dream, nothing more.

Describe what the dream would be like. How would you feel? Can you imagine it?

 

[Terese]

If you can imagine it, after your karma has exhausted, do you just diasapear? A floating mind of perfect connection with Brahma. Connection as spirit? If you couls imagine, what ws you think that experience would be?

Going to heaven is not liberation from reincarnation. Heaven is a lasting reward, but finite, for good karma. Hell vise versa. You reincarnate and inhabit another body. Souls (atman) are pure knowledge, literally a part of God, but this is our innermost self, and we can't remember it. I imagine it to be like a feeling, of energy. I have not thought about this topic much, so my response is limited. I mostly focus on life, than the afterlife.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Peace be on you.
In heaven, a healthy soul would begin to see and conceive and feel the nearness of the attributes of God like never before.

It is a part of life after death question:
https://www.alislam.org/books/study-of-islam/life-after-death.html

How would you personally define heaven? Spiritual afterlife? Cardnal afterlife?

"In short, each individual creates his own hell or his own heaven, and in accordance with his own state each heaven differs from the other person's heaven, and each hell differs from the other person's hell, though apparently they occupy the same space and time in otherworldly dimensions."

If you created your own heaven, how would it be? How would you experience it? Is it a garden as one option?

 

[Mindmaster]

If you are living as if there is a concept of a positive afterlife, what is that experience like? If you dont believe in the afterlife, please let me know. You could imagine too of what you think an afterlife "would" be like if it exists.

It is impossible to know the difference between a real or imagined afterlife even if you experienced ghosts, astral plane traveling, or whatever. They both exist and don't exist -- since they only exist in the mind of the viewer, but there is no way to quantify those experiences with others or verify whether your mind is creating the experiences. Anyone with a balanced mind knows this and doesn't put too much attention to these things, but I wouldn't put to the point where a lot of the champions of reason go and say, "Oh, that's useless... or something is wrong with you..." That's not necessarily the case -- if you aren't carried away by it, it can be an interesting diversion.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It is impossible to know the difference between a real or imagined afterlife even if you experienced ghosts, astral plane traveling, or whatever. They both exist and don't exist -- since they only exist in the mind of the viewer, but there is no way to quantify those experiences with others or verify whether your mind is creating the experiences. Anyone with a balanced mind knows this and doesn't put too much attention to these things, but I wouldn't put to the point where a lot of the champions of reason go and say, "Oh, that's useless... or something is wrong with you..." That's not necessarily the case -- if you aren't carried away by it, it can be an interesting diversion.

That would mean its hard to know because its the product of the mind?

 

[wizanda]

A state of being one in unconditional love?

Think you need to be One to be unconditional love.

Whilst we're here it is very hard to transcend time, so that the limitations of our life times, doesn't add any condition to it.

Those words throw me off.

Yeah because the core isn't yourself being the One, it is The One that we become apart of....Only then do we transcend all boundaries.

Plus notice now put 0neness (Zero-ness), as it is a much better definition of Heaven.

As though Oneness (1) is needed to get in; the selflessness, the lack of self ado there, is so defeating, it is the highest sense of awe achievable in gracefulness.

A spirit?

Only when we've left the dense vibration of matter behind, do we ascend past the physical realm.

Foreign words. Earth nearer to hell? Are you defining earth as the people on it who do and go through terrible things that would seem like hell?

It shouldn't be foreign if the clergy had the book the right way around....God is in Heaven, here is his footstool...We're near the basement.

Here are a couple of my poems questioning it....Doing Time & Earth’s Dynamics

To summarize, people, animals, plants are all spiky in someway, and many are dangerous...

So when a swan can be seen as a savage animal by a fish....

Here is a place between Heaven and Hell in many cultures globally.

Exactly. When you reach home, are you a spirit, human? How do you experiencene it? Floating conscious?

You've answered the question as such...

Here is a great photo without the wings, and the need for form...

Yet if you expect to see form, you will get what you perceived, else it wouldn't be Heaven to you, and thus why there are so many different descriptions globally, that are all right in their own way.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Think you need to be One to be unconditional love.

Whilst we're here it is very hard to transcend time, so that the limitations of our life times, doesn't add any condition to it.

Yeah because the core isn't yourself being the One, it is The One that we become apart of....Only then do we transcend all boundaries.

Plus notice now put 0neness (Zero-ness), as it is a much better definition of Heaven.

As though Oneness (1) is needed to get in; the selflessness, the lack of self ado there, is so defeating, it is the highest sense of awe achievable in gracefulness.

Only when we've left the dense vibration of matter behind, do we ascend past the physical realm.

It shouldn't be foreign if the clergy had the book the right way around....God is in Heaven, here is his footstool...We're near the basement.

Here are a couple of my poems questioning it....Doing Time & Earth’s Dynamics

To summarize, people, animals, plants are all spiky in someway, and many are dangerous...

So when a swan can be seen as a savage animal by a fish....

Here is a place between Heaven and Hell in many cultures globally.

You've answered the question as such...

Here is a great photo without the wings, and the need for form...

Yet if you expect to see form, you will get what you perceived, else it wouldn't be Heaven to you, and thus why there are so many different descriptions globally, that are all right in their own way.

The way you word your post is very confusing. Maybe that is the only way to explain experiences within spirituality (or however you define it, Oneness), by poetic jargon? (Not meant to sound negative)

Yeah because the core isn't yourself being the One, it is The One that we become apart of....Only then do we transcend all boundaries.

Plus notice now put 0neness (Zero-ness), as it is a much better definition of Heaven.

As though Oneness (1) is needed to get in; the selflessness, the lack of self ado there, is so defeating, it is the highest sense of awe achievable in gracefulness.

Only when we've left the dense vibration of matter behind, do we ascend past the physical realm

It shouldn't be foreign if the clergy had the book the right way around....God is in Heaven, here is his footstool...We're near the basement.

Here are a couple of my poems questioning it....Doing Time & Earth’s Dynamics

To summarize, people, animals, plants are all spiky in someway, and many are dangerous...

So when a swan can be seen as a savage animal by a fish....

Here is a place between Heaven and Hell in many cultures globally.

You've answered the question as such...

Here is a great photo without the wings, and the need for form...

Yet if you expect to see form, you will get what you perceived, else it wouldn't be Heaven to you, and thus why there are so many different descriptions globally, that are all right in their own way

Okay. I'm picking apart your terms to understand what you're saying.

1. One we become part of...part of becoming One

Experiencing as if one is his or her full self? Being at peace, love, perfection, and all that with oneself? Perfect equilibrium?

2. Oneness. Zeroness.

A person with a blank slate? Like a baby? Zen mind? Starting afresh to be at full awareness?

3. Dense vibration of matter behind, do we ascend past the physical realm

Uuuuhhhm? Ignoring or leaving behind the physical self (ego, negativity, etc) to go to the spiritual part of us (peace, perfection, all I said above)? Vibration? Realm?

4. Great photo without the wings, and the need for form...

Poetry?

5. You expect to see form, you will get what you perceived, else it wouldn't be Heaven to you,

Buddhist terminology? Form as in something physical or material?

Else it wouldn't be heaven to you???

 

[wizanda]

The way you word your post is very confusing.

Sorry will try to phrase things better...

1.

Buddhist roots go back through Hinduism, so Brahman is all there is....

When we let go of all self, we become one with all that it is.

2.

Oneness is felt by all of us, there is Oneness when we all focus on a equal goal...

The very core of all consciousness, i.e. Heaven is Oneness....

Yet within its qualities, because it is totally free of mind, of ego, of all the things described as Nirvana, it is thus better to refer to it as Zeroness, as then it comes closer to defining its essence.

3.

Yeh, reality is made from conscious energy, all vibrating at different speeds........

As the American Indians knew, everything is made from Spirit.

4.

Doing Time & Earth’s Dynamics

5.

In Heaven, within consciousness, when everything is energy, by thought you shape reality....Colour, light, sounds, taste, are all one... It is only when you add an edge/form of perception it makes something.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Almost there. I have to go soon; so, I can read the poetry later this evening. I love poetry; so, I have to give a good response.

Yet within its qualities, because it is totally free of mind, of ego, of all the things described as Nirvana, it is thus better to refer to it as Zeroness, as then it comes closer to defining its essence.

Our Buddhanature?

As the American Indians knew, everything is made from Spirit.

Can we say spirit or Buddhanature rather than Oneness? Are those interchangeable from how you express this?

In Heaven, within consciousness, when everything is energy, by thought you shape reality....Colour, light, sounds, taste, are all one... It is only when you add an edge/form of perception it makes something.

Everything is a blank slate. That's it's true nature until we add descriptions to it?

For example, a chair isn't a chair. It's true nature is wood. When put together and shaped in a certain way (add form?) then it is perceived as something that it is not in its true nature.

I understand true nature and Buddanature much better than oneness and especially consciousness...that term goes over my head.

 

[Tumah]

No idea never been there. Will write a full report after I've been there.

Take your time, please.

 

[wizanda]

Can we say spirit or Buddhanature rather than Oneness? Are those interchangeable from how you express this?

• Buddhanature is the steps of enlightenment required to see 0neness/Nirvana/Heaven within all.
• Heaven/0neness is within the core of all consciousness/reality.
• Consciousness is self aware energy.
• All spirits are conscious to some degree.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Not sure it exists. Not important to me.

That certainly can be a heaven in itself.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Heaven, for lack of a better universal word, is whatever you believe the a positive afterlife would be.

i.e. Nichiren Buddhists, we believe in rebirth. Perfect wisdom of causality. I also believe spirits exist after death. So, heaven would be my being an ancestor to help family. Heaven is on earth.

How do you view heaven if or when you reach it?
If you are meeting someone in heaven, how would you describe your future experience if you can imagine it?
What would it be like to achieve full end of rebirth?

Im not familar with other beliefs of heaven. Remember. I cant find a universal word, so think of it as a positive afterlife.

Well, they do say heaven is bliss. ;0)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Well, they do say heaven is bliss. ;0)

Is it to you? Do you have a definition of heaven?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We have different definitions of what may be the same thing.

Buddhanature is the steps of enlightenment required to see 0neness/Nirvana/Heaven within all.

Buddhanature is the true nature within all beings. It is enlightenment. The goal is to be aware of our true nature (wisdom and full understanding of life) and live it. Nivanna is the goal. Buddhanature is the true self in which nivanna is when we are aware of it by whatever means we practice.

Heaven/0neness is within the core of all consciousness/reality.

Oneness (unconditional love? Perfection? Using non metaphysical words) is the core of our what we define as Who we are? Our spirit? Is that what consciousness is? Or is it like the dictionary, awareness/thought?

Consciousness is self aware energy.

Energy? Self awareness (as the def. I used above?)

All spirits are conscious to some degree.

If it is self awareness/mind as in the result of when we see our true self, Id say spirits see it more than we do. Thats me.

 

[George-ananda]

Souls (atman) are pure knowledge, literally a part of God, but this is our innermost self, and we can't remember it. I imagine it to be like a feeling, of energy. I have not thought about this topic much, so my response is limited. I mostly focus on life, than the afterlife.

This state of Brahman (and Brahman-Realization) has been described by the Vedic sages as pure sat-cit-ananda (pure being-awareness-bliss). Sounds pretty good to me.

 

[Unification]

Heaven, for lack of a better universal word, is whatever you believe the a positive afterlife would be.

i.e. Nichiren Buddhists, we believe in rebirth. Perfect wisdom of causality. I also believe spirits exist after death. So, heaven would be my being an ancestor to help family. Heaven is on earth.

How do you view heaven if or when you reach it?
If you are meeting someone in heaven, how would you describe your future experience if you can imagine it?
What would it be like to achieve full end of rebirth?

Im not familar with other beliefs of heaven. Remember. I cant find a universal word, so think of it as a positive afterlife.

That heaven is in our minds. States of consciousness.

The highest or third heaven being a pure, whole, non-defiled transformed conscious mind. (Pure consciousness, the mind of "Christ"/Christ conscious) or (the "Buddah conscious.")

A mental state and experience of pure peace, love, bliss, happiness, joy.

Biologically and philosophically speaking, we have:

An outer court: the duramater, ego, gentiles: those on the outside that don't enter within.
The separater court: the arachnoid mater, subconscious.
An inner court: the pia mater, conscious.

The separater court being the firmanent/filament between the heavens.

When the light/energy penetrates to the pia mater/third heaven... One is in a state of higher/pure/whole/one conscious.

 

[allfoak]

Heaven at one end of the scale, hell at the other.
Love in the middle.

All polar opposites have a place where they meet.