Youssef (Egypt's Jon Stewart) Arrested for "Insulting Morsi"

[Godobeyer]

it's amazing episode last night , he showed a clip of scholar , discuss with the views

a viewer ask the scholar online on TV : when we would kill Basim Yousef ?
the scholar said :NOT now !!!

link to video (only arabic )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuXI5K9rXU4

 

[England my lionheart]

I think any objective close observer of the Egyptian scene, can see that Morsi and his group are having a furious fight against anti-revolutionary forces which aim to destabilize the country so that they can blame MB for this. They are using the judiciary, media and thugs to spread chaos through out the country, counter any move, any decision, any change made by Morsi just to see him failing.
This doesn't mean that MB are without mistakes but fact that any revolution must face frantic opposition, should be taken into consideration, and if we were moving smoothly, then we must know that something went wrong.
The MB have been in rule for how long? 9 months? 10 months? I don't think that any sane person should judge them based on this short period given the current circumstances and that we are recovering from a regime change.

As an observer the problem doesn't stem from their rule but how they got to rule,if they had gone through the process of consultation over the constitution and gained power,Egypt,IMO,would not be in the situation it is in now because nobody or organisation could have a legitimate complaint and Egypt would have the full backing of the international community.

The result of the MB winning caused the economy to take a nose dive because to outside observers,especially investors,could not see any return because there is no stability,really The Muslim Brotherhood scored an own goal concerning the constitution that THEY wrote,the fact that their opponents are made up of Muslims,Christians and secularists speaks volumes.

There are two other events that are of note,Hamas opened an office in Cairo and the MB visited Ahmadinejad,of course Hamas are already in the pocket of Iran or Iran are in the Rockets of Hamas,the two events took more priority over actually listening to the Egyptian people,its like the funeral of Margeret Thatcher here,the government did not listen or even ask the British people whether we should spend X amount of millions on such a divisive and hated figure,they only said "its the right thing to do" like it or not and,as an observer,thats exactly what the MB did on the constitution,JMO.

 

[Meow Mix]

it's amazing episode last night , he showed a clip of scholar , discuss with the views

a viewer ask the scholar online on TV : when we would kill Basim Yousef ?
the scholar said :NOT now !!!

link to video (only arabic )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuXI5K9rXU4

Good grief, how ridiculous!!!

Why wouldn't the answer be "Not EVER?"

(Let alone, "Why was this question even ASKED?")

 

[Godobeyer]

Good grief, how ridiculous!!!

Why wouldn't the answer be "Not EVER?"

(Let alone, "Why was this question even ASKED?")

Thats suppose the right and ONLY answser , but because they thought that they are the executors of God in this earth , and they had the key of heaven and hell .

for my opinion many muslims scholars should to be judged because they encourage the killing and civil wars ...etc

and many TV channel and media should be closed because they made civil war by fake info or encourage the extermism

 

[F0uad]

Thats suppose the right and ONLY answser , but because they thought that they are the executors of God in this earth , and they had the key of heaven and hell .

for my opinion many muslims scholars should to be judged because they encourage the killing and civil wars ...etc

and many TV channel and media should be closed because they made civil war by fake info or encourage the extermism

Why did you forget the governments and those of the west?

 

[Meow Mix]

Why did you forget the governments and those of the west?

Think it goes without saying that American media especially is guilty of misinformation, bias, and "infotainment," but you're right: it should still be said even if it's obvious. I don't know about other "western" media (I think "western" is a bizarre term since societies supposedly under that label are pretty vastly different from one another)

 

[Godobeyer]

Why did you forget the governments and those of the west?

realy !!! what the relate between the subject of this thread and this question ?!!!!

 

[England my lionheart]

Why did you forget the governments and those of the west?

Perhaps the topic of the thread isn't about the "west",perhaps you should start one then all your replies would be on topic .

 

[Meow Mix]

Out of curiosity -- I've never gotten a straight answer on this (if I missed it, sorry):

For those who support Egypt's constitution, do you think it's just that it only offers protections for "the divine religions?"

Also, does "the divine religions" mean the Abrahamic religions, as it seems to?

 

[F0uad]

realy !!! what the relate between the subject of this thread and this question ?!!!!

I was replying to your reply what also had nothing to do with the topic.

 

[F0uad]

Perhaps the topic of the thread isn't about the "west",perhaps you should start one then all your replies would be on topic .

Its better for me to mute you, i find you annoying.

 

[Godobeyer]

I was replying to your reply what also had nothing to do with the topic.

Realy again !!!

 

[Meow Mix]

Seriously I want to know, is it just for the Egyptian Constitution to only protect the "divine religions?" I never get a straight answer on this from those who defend Egypt's constitution.

 

[F0uad]

Realy again !!!

Even if i read it 10 times i still replied to your comment and i still don't see the connection with the OP.

 

[F0uad]

Seriously I want to know, is it just for the Egyptian Constitution to only protect the "divine religions?" I never get a straight answer on this from those who defend Egypt's constitution.

I don't think people belief Egypt is perfect if you are suggesting that, Egypt was in need of a change a better change that is what it got. Egyptians can now build from here and choose whatever they want instead of living under a dictatorship you have to judge the "constitution" under those glasses.

 

[Meow Mix]

I don't think people belief Egypt is perfect if you are suggesting that, Egypt was in need of a change a better change that is what it got. Egyptians can now build from here and choose whatever they want instead of living under a dictatorship you have to judge the "constitution" under those glasses.

But isn't religious freedom kind of an obvious thing that's known by most democracies? How could they possibly have gotten that wrong unless it was on purpose?

Isn't that something that should be sort of caught (and actually, it was caught -- and decried worldwide) during the ratification process? Something better fixed before ratifying? How did it slip through unless Egypt's ruling body simply is not interested in a just religious protection policy?

I do get that democracy is better than dictatorship, and I'm glad Egypt has gone that far. But a democracy without adequate protection for minorities is just a dictatorship in the form of a mob. I guess lowering the number of poeple being oppressed is good, but it's certainly not something to cheer or condone if the system still actively oppresses needlessly. (Yes, before anyone says it, America government sucks, etc., I agree, that is NOT a valid counter-argument)

 

[Godobeyer]

Even if i read it 10 times i still replied to your comment and i still don't see the connection with the OP.

mabe you need to read it 11 times,then you will not replied to my comment

 

[England my lionheart]

I don't think people belief Egypt is perfect if you are suggesting that, Egypt was in need of a change a better change that is what it got. Egyptians can now build from here and choose whatever they want instead of living under a dictatorship you have to judge the "constitution" under those glasses.

This is interesting from amnesty:

• Article 43 restricts freedom of worship to “heavenly religions”, to adherents of Islam, Judaism and Christianity, and therefore leaves other religions and religious groups such as Baha’is felt without protection of freedom of worship. Article 3 ties personal status laws to religious law; and, as regards religious minorities, only provides for Christians and Jews the right to regulate their religious affairs and spiritual leadership. It is also unclear the extent to which religious minorities such as Shi’a and others will be protected by the provision; in the past they have faced discrimination in their right to worship.

• Article 44 prohibits “undermining or subjecting to prejudice all messengers and prophets.” Similar provisions have been used in Egyptian law to restrict freedom of expression, and under President Morsi, charges have been brought against a number of individuals for “defaming religion”. Article 31 prohibits insulting and defaming any person, a provision which violates the right to freedom of expression and similarly provides for defamation to remain a criminal offence. The two provisions seem to undermine Article 45, which guarantees freedom of expression and opinion, and violate Egypt’s obligation to uphold freedom of expression under Article 19 of the ICCPR.

So as long as you are a follower of an Abrahmic religion you have freedom to worship,what about the others?

 

[Flankerl]

But isn't religious freedom kind of an obvious thing that's known by most democracies?

Democracy has nothing to do with religious freedom. It simply means that if you are lucky you get to give your vote for or against something.

Wether the state ends up with various laws that guarantee certain rights depends on its voters.

But a democracy without adequate protection for minorities is just a dictatorship in the form of a mob.

Of course. But if they think that its kinda neat let them have it.

If the minorities are wise enough they will simply leave the place.

 

[Meow Mix]

If the minorities are wise enough they will simply leave the place.

You think it's actually plausible or even possible for minorities to "simply leave" places where they're oppressed?

Or were you being sarcastic, sometimes it's hard to tell over the internet...

If you were being serious, then I disagree very much. Many people can't afford to leave the country they're born in; and on top of that it's unfair to ask someone to leave their family behind just because their government is too tryrannical to protect minority rights.