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YouTuber claims we'll never see another Democrat elected president

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Both sides have a fringe element (the left has the SJWs, the right has the alt-right), and each side tries to present the opposing side's fringe element as representing the whole. To compound this, neither side denounces their own fringe element.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
Both sides have a fringe element (the left has the SJWs, the right has the alt-right), and each side tries to present the opposing side's fringe element as representing the whole. To compound this, neither side denounces their own fringe element.

Bill Maher denounces the SJWs, yet everyone on both sides seems to hate him. Granted he's said some really dumb and even offensive stuff on occasion, but overall I think he makes good points.
 

Thermos aquaticus

Well-Known Member
When you look at America as a hole,

Hehe, I like the Freudian slip. ;)

Democrats have lost a ton of positions across the national, state, and municipal level. And a lot of is that Democrats overplay the minority appeal and don't dive into the working class like they used to. Americans mostly do agree with Democrats with many issues, but they don't win elections because they don't appeal to the main demograph, and that is the working class. The Democrats have college Liberals, minorities, and not much else. The next Democrat could probably easily win if they show strong union support, and campaign on it, because that speaks to the working class.

More people have voted for the Democratic nominee than the Republican nominee in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
They aren't the "far left." Those of us who are of the far Left despise, loathe, and detest the "Snowflake Liberal." The over-privileged, pompous ******* who wouldn't know a real struggle if it bit them on the face. They are just as bad, and potentially just as dangerous, as the alt-right. But they certainly do not belong in the far left outfield.

They seem to be quite a bit like the champagne socialists but far more whiny and wimpy from where I sit, at least the champagne socialists recruited dumb teenagers to throw firebombs once in a while. The "alt- right" moniker seems so over used and vague that it wouldn't be far fetched to claim the the "alt-right" doesn't actually exist except in the minds of those from the above two groups who need to create a general grouping of people of people that hold views they disagree with.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
I think that this guy in the video, though obviously not a political expert, has a lot of good points. Whether you agree with his politics or not is another issue, but I think he is correct in stating that the Democratic party has lost touch with the vast majority of Americans. The fact is that most American adults who are just trying to provide for their families simply don't care about gay marriage, transgender bathrooms, climate change, etc. Now, I'm not going to say that these issues are unimportant, so please don't take this the wrong way. However, I think that the political left, particularly the "social justice warrior" fringe, has increasingly become less concerned with the well-being of average middle class families, and instead has placed the majority of their energy and focus on issues that most Americans just don't care about that much. Thus, Trump, with his simple message directed at average Americans, was able to win the presidency. I think this video is correct. Unless Democrats change their priorities, they will continue to lose elections.

From what I have seen over the years the old adage "as above, so below" seems the most true, just as the seasons turn, night turns to day and the tides come and go so too does the pendulum of politics, the more it swings one way the more it will eventually swing the other way and so on. In this current age of instant gratification it is not surprising that we see the burps and farts of the churning Mind wyrms restless and noisy due to their lack of patience. I agree that the Democrats overall have lost touch but I don't see it as a mistake, their strategy seemed a calculated choice by the PR managers and social marketers that took a gamble and lost-this time at least.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
More people have voted for the Democratic nominee than the Republican nominee in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections.
We're not just talking about the presidential election. It looks nice when you do, but it ignores the fact Democrats have hemorrhaged seats at all levels of government.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
They seem to be quite a bit like the champagne socialists but far more whiny and wimpy from where I sit,
One quick and easy way to know the "Snowflake Liberals" are not far left is easily seen in their misuse of anthropology concepts and reliance on post modernism to attack the system, and how they defend Islam. The Far Left is not known for defending religion. Typically, in the Far Left, no matter the religion it's viewed as a means of control and oppression. And these Snowflakes don't champion Socialism, they go on about keeping Capitalism in place, but making it more equitable. The Snowflakes also tend to cry and get angry when they hear someone like Sam Harris or Jordan Peterson talk, revealing themselves to be traitors of Left Wing ideology as a whole with their illiberal positions that seek to destroy freedom of speech.
The "alt- right" moniker seems so over used and vague that it wouldn't be far fetched to claim the the "alt-right" doesn't actually exist except in the minds of those from the above two groups who need to create a general grouping of people of people that hold views they disagree with.
They exist just as much as the Snowflake Liberals. But groups are a malignant cancer on society, and the Dems and Reps need to denounce both groups lest these vocal minorities push the majority into a position of being irrelevant.
 

Thermos aquaticus

Well-Known Member
One quick and easy way to know the "Snowflake Liberals" are not far left is easily seen in their misuse of anthropology concepts and reliance on post modernism to attack the system, and how they defend Islam. The Far Left is not known for defending religion. Typically, in the Far Left, no matter the religion it's viewed as a means of control and oppression. And these Snowflakes don't champion Socialism, they go on about keeping Capitalism in place, but making it more equitable. The Snowflakes also tend to cry and get angry when they hear someone like Sam Harris or Jordan Peterson talk, revealing themselves to be traitors of Left Wing ideology as a whole with their illiberal positions that seek to destroy freedom of speech.

They exist just as much as the Snowflake Liberals. But groups are a malignant cancer on society, and the Dems and Reps need to denounce both groups lest these vocal minorities push the majority into a position of being irrelevant.

I have to wonder what you mean by "liberal" or "left wing". Is it simply people you don't like?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I have to wonder what you mean by "liberal" or "left wing". Is it simply people you don't like?
When speaking of American politics, I tend to use American standards of Left and Right. Liberals, as a group, aren't very far away from the center in terms of "how far" Left they are.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Title of the thread: "YouTuber claims we'll never see another Democrat elected president"
You can't use just the presidential elections to gauge how in or out of touch either party is with Americans. Cities like New York, Seattle, and LA add way more Democrat votes than what a number of rural/red states can produce. Outside of the large cities, people aren't voting Democrat in droves.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Bill Maher denounces the SJWs, yet everyone on both sides seems to hate him. Granted he's said some really dumb and even offensive stuff on occasion, but overall I think he makes good points.
He's also one of the few who openly denounces and criticizes religion, and he is aligned with the likes of Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins. So, yeah, he's gonna **** some people off. He also has a bit of dark humor and some overtly politically incorrect humor, which don't appeal to many people.
 

Thermos aquaticus

Well-Known Member
When speaking of American politics, I tend to use American standards of Left and Right. Liberals, as a group, aren't very far away from the center in terms of "how far" Left they are.

So what are those standards? For example:

"The Snowflakes also tend to cry and get angry when they hear someone like Sam Harris or Jordan Peterson talk, revealing themselves to be traitors of Left Wing ideology as a whole with their illiberal positions that seek to destroy freedom of speech."

I know of no liberal who says that criticizing someone takes away their right to free speech. In fact, preventing someone from criticizing Harris or Jordan would be a violation of free speech. Most people on the left that I know are able to differentiate between criticism and censorship.
 

Thermos aquaticus

Well-Known Member
You can't use just the presidential elections to gauge how in or out of touch either party is with Americans. Cities like New York, Seattle, and LA add way more Democrat votes than what a number of rural/red states can produce. Outside of the large cities, people aren't voting Democrat in droves.

So are the Republicans out of touch because they can't get very many votes in urban areas? Why are you only using the ability to get votes in rural areas as a measure of how in touch a political party is with the American people?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So are the Republicans out of touch because they can't get very many votes in urban areas? Why are you only using the ability to get votes in rural areas as a measure of how in touch a political party is with the American people?
Because metropolises and rural areas all have Americans living in them. In presidential elections, without the support of "fly over America," Republicans win because of the electoral college, because the democrat strongholds are big cities, with few here and there scattered about. To win presidential elections, the democrat nominee pretty much has to appeal to the pro-union democrat leaning scattered about in otherwise lands that are largely Conservative Republican leaning. But, increasingly, the cater to focus on the metropolis areas and do become out of touch with one of their big key demographs, while the Republicans get in touch with those rural voters based on Conservative values.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think that this guy in the video, though obviously not a political expert, has a lot of good points. Whether you agree with his politics or not is another issue, but I think he is correct in stating that the Democratic party has lost touch with the vast majority of Americans. The fact is that most American adults who are just trying to provide for their families simply don't care about gay marriage, transgender bathrooms, climate change, etc. Now, I'm not going to say that these issues are unimportant, so please don't take this the wrong way. However, I think that the political left, particularly the "social justice warrior" fringe, has increasingly become less concerned with the well-being of average middle class families, and instead has placed the majority of their energy and focus on issues that most Americans just don't care about that much. Thus, Trump, with his simple message directed at average Americans, was able to win the presidency. I think this video is correct. Unless Democrats change their priorities, they will continue to lose elections.

I can't think of a time that Democrats actually focused on issues in a serious well thought-out way. They're too busy slinging poo or making backroom deals to get votes to bother with anything trivial like issues of State.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That's silly. Of course there will be another democrat president. And another republican.And another democrat . And another. ....................................
You notice the pattern too? You could say the poles flip just about every 8 years.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I know of no liberal who says that criticizing someone takes away their right to free speech.
It's not criticizing when you ban someone from speaking because of their thoughts and opinions given certain subjects. It's not criticism when you uninvite an invited speaker. That's what the "Snowflake Liberal" does. They go beyond mere criticism, and label people like Bill Maher, Sam Harris, and Richard Dawkins as bigots because they criticize Islam and the concept of religion.
 
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