McBell
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Lots of people created life.
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Zero probability for Evolution
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questfortruth
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The definition of Evolution says, that Evolution is not directed process. Thus, accidental.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
In no way!
McBell
Unbound
Wow.
Just think of all the accidental snowflakes.....
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Nope. That is a false dichotomy.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Well I was rather busy two weekends ago. You never know.I think you're using the wrong interrogative.
I'd see the doctor about that if i were you
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
It did before you tried to sneakily edit the OP, now it just contradicts itself and is still wrong.
It also still has nothing to do with evolution or God.
I think you're conflating "incidental" and "accidental."
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
And the method god used to create human beings was the process of evolution. THE END
That's FAR better than your silly 'Wonder. Simply - wonder' NON-explanation.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
Formally speaking:
Situation prior to life emergence in our Universe:
1. There is 50 % probability, that the Universe gets alive.
2. There is zero probability, that Earth gets alive.
Situation after the life emergence in our Universe:
1. There is 100 % probability, that the Universe got alive.
2. There is 100 % probability, that Earth got alive.
But because the event with zero % probability never happens, the Creationists are right: we need God to jump from zero to 100 %.
Analogously the Multiverse and fine-tuning:
There was zero probability, that our Universe will get the right physical constants for life. But then this probability became 100. It is a miracle!
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
Somebody is genius.
Certainly not you.
How can there be 0% probability when life actually happened. In the whole universe taking every single planet the probability is not zero. It may be small but certainly not zero.
Conditions, entropy etc dictated life emerging on earth, if someone could have worked out the probability of life occuring (yes i know, logical impossibility) given all the variables then for earth would have had a pretty high probability of life.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yep. @ChristineM is one smart cookie.
That's not the definition of biological evolution. A fairly comprehensive definition is that evolution is the undirected process that transformed the LUCA to the modern tree of life due to natural selection acting on genetic variation in living populations over generations. Another definition would be in terms of alleles and gene pools.
No religion gets in the way of science. Science is indifferent to them all.
But don't feel picked on. It's indifferent to just about everything except science. It also doesn't care about sports or fashion or video games.
You argument here is that there is a 0% probability that "Earth gets alive," and therefore a 0% chance of life on earth without God, therefore God. Sorry, not a sound conclusion for two reasons - false premises followed by faulty logic.
Incidentally, there is interesting work being done that suggests that abiogenesis is inevitable wherever possible: https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-thermodynamics-theory-of-the-origin-of-life-20140122/
If that is the case, the chances of life appearing on earth approaches 100%. In fact, given the billions of years that life had been evolving on earth, multicellular life, terrestrial life, and intelligent life were likely inevitable as well.
It's very interesting subject considering the factors that made this possible on Earth. It's star probably needs to be a single star and stable. Earth's orbit needed to be relatively circular, relatively stable, and in the Goldilocks zone. Earth needed to be a rocky planet (thus a 2nd or 3rd generation star) with oceans and a fairly stable atmosphere, both of which would have blown off long ago if earth didn't also have a core that remained liquid for eons in order to generate a relatively stable magnetic field to protect them from the solar wind. And having a single, relatively large moon stabilizes the axial tilt (we don't want the earth tilting so that a pole is facing the sun if we want stable living populations). And the earth needed to be free of sterilizing events like a nearby supernovae or an impact like the moon forming collision.
All of that might be rare in the galaxy, but given those conditions, multicellular terrestrial just life might be inevitable after time.
Also, we don't use the word accident to refer to blind, passive processes obeying physical laws, like a glacier calving or a volcano erupting. We don't say that the glacier accidentally broke or volcanoes accidentally erupted. Or the recent lunar eclipse was accidental.
Likewise, we don't say that life formed by accident. We say it formed by blindly obeying the laws of chemistry. Accidental is the way creationists like to frame it to make the process seem unlikely.
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ecco
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ecco
Veteran Member
Why do you ask that on a forum? You won't believe any of the answers you will get. If you really want your questions answered...
ecco
Veteran Member
On what do you base that ridiculous assertion. You really need to stop thinking about everything from a binary standpoint. It's not good:evil, black:white, life:non-life. There are subtleties and factors to think about.
I'll give you a very simplistic example. If the SuperBowl winning Tampa Bay Bucs played football against a high school team, the odds are not 50/50 that the Bucs would win. When you gave the universe a 50% chance of generating life, you ignored the components that make up the universe and chemistry.
If you were giving odds on the Bucs winning would you ignore the size, speed, athletic ability, experience, and training of the players? If so, let's get together during football season. Bring cash. Lotsa cash.