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Zero Probability of Evolution. Atheism wrong?

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
So, you believe something is proved to exist if you can feel it, but you reject the claims of people who claim to feel God's presence? Seems like a double standard. Have I misunderstood something?

Or is it that you are simply judgmental--"I don't believe you feel God, but I know I can feel gravity."
The difference is that gravity can actually be measured in a direct way, and everyone who experiences gravity is experiencing a demonstrably identical force. God meets neither of those criteria. God cannot be objectively measured, and many people who claims to experience God (or Gods) can experience entirely different and even contradictory things.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
So, you believe something is proved to exist if you can feel it, but you reject the claims of people who claim to feel God's presence? Seems like a double standard. Have I misunderstood something?

Or is it that you are simply judgmental--"I don't believe you feel God, but I know I can feel gravity."

Of course you have misunderstood something, the confirmation bias is strong in you, you misunderstand, deliberately or otherwise anything that does not slot neatly in to your expectation or faith.

I do not reject your faith, it is entirely up to you what you chose to believe. What i do reject is the the vocal claim that evidence exists for your personal gods existence. Yet interestingly, whenever you are asked to provide said evidence the reply is along the lines of woo, or its all around you orb you completely ignore the question.
 
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BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
OK, I did your experiment. I got no answer. What may I conclude?

I shouted to whoever was out there. I found nothing but an echo.

And how do I know you did this? You spend hours a week questioning the reliability of the Bible authors, modern Christians, and me personally. How do I know you gave a shout out?
 
You responded as best you could, yet you didn't counter my assertion.

There was a question as to whether there is some big evolution conspiracy on the part of scientists. There is not, just as there is no worldwide religious conspiracy to make religious people religious.

If YOU believe theists are prone to error, logically, you are saying:

1. Most humans are prone to error.

2. Scientists are all humans.

3. Most scientists are prone to error.

Which syllogism destroys any ground you gain in saying, "Scientists prove their is no God" and other typical atheist nonsense. Scientists must first prove they are not humans before we take everything they say at face value. :)
You seem to have missed the point.

There is a huge difference between people forming uneducated beliefs and scientists doing science. Science is rigorously standardized and there's always critical and educated eyes on every new hypothesis or theory.

Sure scientists too are human and prone to error, but no scientific theory is accepted by any one person's opinion alone. This is why theories must be falsifiable, and the key difference between science and religion, which is never falsifiable.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
How might Schrodinger's Cat fit into your thinking about asking here?
It's a thought experiment, speculating about how to view quantum mechanics.
I don't believe any particular interpretation of it....I'm only aware that it can
be viewed that way. (QM isn't my thing. I do gear teeth & bearings.)
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'll rephrase. Many atheists are nice people, except in private relationships. And Internet trolls.
Some of us are both.
It all depends upon whom you ask.

Btw, if you ask about me in particular, I think believers
are a friendlier source than my fellow heathens.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I'll rephrase. Many atheists are nice people, except in private relationships. And Internet trolls.

How do you know about other peoples private relationships?

You will note that the majority of trolls appear to be thosr who do their thing in the name of god
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Some of us are both.
It all depends upon whom you ask.

Btw, if you ask about me in particular, I think believers
are a friendlier source than my fellow heathens.

You do? I am shocked and surprised. Certainly not my experience.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You do? I am shocked and surprised. Certainly not my experience.
Fundies just tend to treat me well.
The worst abuse I've encountered on RF are from fellow heathens.
Go figure.

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How it seems to appear.....
Believers merely inform me I'm going to Hell.
Non-believers tell me to go there.
I say the latter is worse.

Of course, I'm not generalizing about believers & the nons.
I'm only going by what I recall about my personal interactions.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
And how do I know you did this? You spend hours a week questioning the reliability of the Bible authors, modern Christians, and me personally. How do I know you gave a shout out?
You don't. Do you think I am lying? If so, state it clearly. I don't deny your experiences. I question your interpretation of them.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Fundies just tend to treat me well.
The worst abuse I've encountered on RF are from fellow heathens.
Go figure.

Edit:
How it seems to appear.....
Believers merely inform me I'm going to Hell.
Non-believers tell me to go there.
I say the latter is worse.

Of course, I'm not generalizing about believers & the nons.
I'm only going by what I recall about my personal interactions.

Maybe you are unique,
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
I didn't say atheists are delusional, but to be an atheist, one must accept as axiomatic that the overwhelming majority of persons are delusional and in denial, which doesn't line up with truth.
Atheists don't believe in the existence of any gods, you don't believe in the existence of any gods except one. You are hardly the right person to criticize non-belief in gods. I assume with "atheists" you actually mean people who don't believe in your particular god?
 

Truly Enlightened

Well-Known Member
And how do I know you did this? You spend hours a week questioning the reliability of the Bible authors, modern Christians, and me personally. How do I know you gave a shout out?

This answer was predicted by another poster. At least you didn't disappoint. All believers KNOW that talking animals, miracles, Gods, resurrecting the dead, myths and superstitions, are not only man-made stories, but also unfalsifiable. They know that parts of the Bible are errant, inconsistent, immoral and cruel, unscientific and primitive, and certainly not consistent with the words of a God. If they don't, they should have "EASY MARK" witten on the back of their shirt. This is why they will avoid offering any evidence specific to their belief. There are so many ways a believer can provide evidence. Prove that the power of prayer works. Demonstrate that at least one of thousands of miracle is real. Demonstrate at least one thing that has been resurrected, or is immortal(other than the humble jellyfish). Demonstrate at least one thing that has a supernatural reference(ghosts, fairies, dragons, spirits, etc.), and scientifically exists. This never happens.

If you simply believe that some supernatural multi-dimensional father figure, exists with powers far greater than mortal man, fine. If you want to believe that this super daddy will look after you, and guide you in life and in death, that is also fine. Since this is only your belief, no evidence of any kind is required. So why all this silly, dishonest, intellectual BS, to infer that your belief is real? Not only do you think your belief is real to you, but you arrogantly believe that it should be real to everyone else? Why do you need to infect the healthy, pristine, and inquisitive minds of those that are the most vulnerable(children, handicap, sick, desperate, and the poor)? We all have our own personal beliefs. We just keep them to ourselves, especially if they need to invoke the the supernatural card. It is believers that must shift the burden of proof and demand that others prove that their version of reality, is the only possible version. It is believers who must eventually deny, or ignore, all physical laws governing our physical reality. Non-believers have no need to use fallacies, misrepresentations, distortions, make-believe, scripture, avoidance and deflections, as the basis for their arguments. Non-believers are essentially arguing with themselves, when arguing with believers. All we can do is expose the folly of their self-serving logic. The mind is truly a terrible thing to waste. Don
 
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