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Define "God"

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
But what does "friend of the world" really mean?
Going out in the world to find converts to your religion so they might be saved is friendly.
When a person is converted to a certain faith but is not steadfast in it and remains "of the world" though in your gathering for Jesus, you are required to treat him as a brother, thus, you are "being a friend of the world". You are giving evil people a safe haven. That is not keeping one's self from the world.
Doing so makes you God's enemy. Just like you say.
Verse?
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
But what does "friend of the world" really mean?
Going out in the world to find converts to your religion so they might be saved is friendly.
When a person is converted to a certain faith but is not steadfast in it and remains "of the world" though in your gathering for Jesus, you are required to treat him as a brother, thus, you are "being a friend of the world". You are giving evil people a safe haven. That is not keeping one's self from the world.
Doing so makes you God's enemy. Just like you say.

Isn't the Bible wrong according to you? Where are you getting these ideas, if the text is false
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Please be more specific.

I'm asking you to be more specific. You stated that Xians need to still treat false xians the same, or such, and I don't think you can back that up with Scripture. I think you are reading into the teachings, and ignoring other teachings.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I'm asking you to be more specific. You stated that Xians need to still treat false xians the same, or such, and I don't think you can back that up with Scripture. I think you are reading into the teachings, and ignoring other teachings.
What?

Christians need to treat false Christians the same as what? Brothers? I do not believe that.
Jehovah's Witnesses teach that everyone who gathers to them is a brother or a sister.
I don't.
 

neologist

Member
The closest word for "G-d" in Hebrew is either, E-L or ELo-HIM.
E-L relates to might as in Ex. 15:11 "Who is like You among the mighty (ELIM, plural of EL)".
Among other explanations for the name ELo-HIM that I have seen, the one that I understand is that it relates to ruler-ship (Kuzari Essay 4, Abarbanel 1:1).
Hence the Canaanite pantheon all refer to gods that rule over various elements of nature (per their names). The Jewish G-d is understood to be the ruler of everything and is therefore also called ELo-HIM.

Interesting:
The oldest Hebrew manuscripts present God's name in the form of four consonants, commonly called the Tetragrammaton (from Greek te·tra-, meaning “four,” and gramʹma, “letter”). These four letters (written from right to left) are יהוה and may be transliterated into English as YHWH (or, JHVH). It's correct pronunciation has been lost, perhaps because of scribal fear of Gentiles learning the divine name. So, today it is pronounced variously as Yahweh or Jehovah. It appears over 6000 times in the Hebrew manuscripts and literally translated means "He who Causes to Become".

If you think about it, His name is a veritable guarantee that His purpose will never be defeated. So, when Psalm 37:11 notes that the "Meek shall inherit the earth", we may look forward to that time with certainty.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Interesting:
The oldest Hebrew manuscripts present God's name in the form of four consonants, commonly called the Tetragrammaton (from Greek te·tra-, meaning “four,” and gramʹma, “letter”). These four letters (written from right to left) are יהוה and may be transliterated into English as YHWH (or, JHVH). It's correct pronunciation has been lost, perhaps because of scribal fear of Gentiles learning the divine name. So, today it is pronounced variously as Yahweh or Jehovah. It appears over 6000 times in the Hebrew manuscripts and literally translated means "He who Causes to Become".
If you think about it, His name is a veritable guarantee that His purpose will never be defeated. So, when Psalm 37:11 notes that the "Meek shall inherit the earth", we may look forward to that time with certainty.
The scribes fear was ill-founded. What harm could they do to YHWH?
Regards
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
And back to the 'fear of',
instead of 'love of'.
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Why both ?
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'mud
Whenever you love someone you fear for them that they should be safe and sound. Or do you not care? I know you do!
We fear for our loved ones that they never enter a state of unhappiness.
God can be unhappy or glad imo.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
hey Savagewind,
Don't confuse 'love' of dear ones with 'fear' of a pseudo-god.
My love ones aren't invisible or transparent,
nor do I 'fear' any reparations from the cloud guy.
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I have only love to give, and concern from me is constant.
~
'mud
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
hey Savagewind,
Don't confuse 'love' of dear ones with 'fear' of a pseudo-god.
My love ones aren't invisible or transparent,
nor do I 'fear' any reparations from the cloud guy.
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I have only love to give, and concern from me is constant.
~
'mud
Switch it around. It is not fear of reparation. It is the same fear we have for ourselves and our loved ones.
I do not fear that I might be punished by God. I fear that I might make him sad.
That is not a problem for people who do not believe. Fine. You have enough trouble.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
I find it difficult to assign an emotion to any imaginary entity.
But......I really like your value placed on the importance of belief.
Worship to dear ones is of more importance to me,
as the liking of your posts, and my love of your words.
~
'mud
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
When we are happy we are strong.
God is strong for me when God is happy.

I think that many people have God backwards. I think it is better to leave God alone that to put God backwards.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I have no clue. I posted that possibility as a kindness to avoid saying that the Hebrews had (and have) an inexplicable superstition about God's name.
It is an attempt by the narrators/scribes/Jewish-Clergy to make distance between G-d (Yahweh) and man. The religion is for making nearness among man and G-d. It is for this that Quran starts with the name of G-d (Allah):
[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=1
Regards
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
But what does "friend of the world" really mean?
Going out in the world to find converts to your religion so they might be saved is friendly.
When a person is converted to a certain faith but is not steadfast in it and remains "of the world" though in your gathering for Jesus, you are required to treat him as a brother, thus, you are "being a friend of the world". You are giving evil people a safe haven. That is not keeping one's self from the world.
Doing so makes you God's enemy. Just like you say.

Any thoughts about a not-steadfast person in light of 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 ?

Being a ' friend of the world ' would involve getting involved with the issues of the world.
Jesus Nor his first-century followers got involved with the issues of the day including the issues between the Jews verses the Romans.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Any thoughts about a not-steadfast person in light of 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 ?

Being a ' friend of the world ' would involve getting involved with the issues of the world.
Jesus Nor his first-century followers got involved with the issues of the day including the issues between the Jews verses the Romans.
Non-steadfast with the governing body or non-steadfast with righteousness?
There are people in the organization who hide their sins. You call them "brothers and sisters" That is being a friend of the world. To engage in sin is being nobody's friend. But to offer asylum to criminals IS being a friend of the world.
You believe your definition of a friend of the world is right. How do you know? Because the governing body tells you. But they have changed their mind about things in the past. How do you know you are not clinging to something that they will change in the future?
 
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