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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

paarsurrey

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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 68: Al-Qalam [5]

[68:41]Ask them which of them will vouch for that.
[68:42]Or have they any ‘partners’of God? Let them, then, producethose‘partners’ of theirs, if they speak the truth.
68:43]On the day when the truth shall be laid bare and they will be called upon to prostrate themselves, they will not be ableto do so;
[68:44]Their eyes will be cast down,andhumiliation will cover them; and they were indeed called upon to prostrate themselves when they were safe and sound,but they obeyed not.
[68:45]So leave Mealonewith those who reject this wordof Ours. We shall draw themnear to destructionstep by step from whence they know not.
[68:46]And I give them respite; for My plan is strong.
[68:47]Dost thou ask a reward of them that they areas ifbeing weighed down with aheavytax?
[68:48]Is the unseen with them so that they writeitdown?
[68:49]So be thou steadfast incarrying outthe command of thy Lord, and be not like the Man of the Fish when he calledto his Lordand he was full of grief.
[68:50]Had not a favour from his Lord reached him, he would have surely been cast upon a bare tract of land, while he would have been blamedby his people.
w.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=68&verse=41


Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 68: Al-Qalam [5]

[68:41]Ask them which of them will vouch for that.
[68:42]Or have they any ‘partners’of God? Let them, then, producethose‘partners’ of theirs, if they speak the truth.
68:43]On the day when the truth shall be laid bare and they will be called upon to prostrate themselves, they will not be ableto do so;
[68:44]Their eyes will be cast down,andhumiliation will cover them; and they were indeed called upon to prostrate themselves when they were safe and sound,but they obeyed not.
[68:45]So leave Mealonewith those who reject this wordof Ours. We shall draw themnear to destructionstep by step from whence they know not.
[68:46]And I give them respite; for My plan is strong.
[68:47]Dost thou ask a reward of them that they areas ifbeing weighed down with aheavytax?
[68:48]Is the unseen with them so that they writeitdown?
[68:49]So be thou steadfast incarrying outthe command of thy Lord, and be not like the Man of the Fish when he calledto his Lordand he was full of grief.
[68:50]Had not a favour from his Lord reached him, he would have surely been cast upon a bare tract of land, while he would have been blamedby his people.
w.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=68&verse=41


Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
They don't have to be direct quotations. For example, the story of the Great Flood is based on the earlier, Sumerian Epic of Glgamesh. The stories vary greatly in detail, characterization, setting, etc. The verse above sounds a little like Jonah to me.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
YVWH was Consistent when he talked to Jesus. Wasn't He?
He never spoke to Jesus. Jesus was a sinner. Which doesn't necessarily go hand in hand. But still true.
What sin he commit? It was the Jews clergy who were the sinners. Right?
He committed sin of idol worship and made Jews stop serving G-d.
Jewish clergy were good, he was bad.
Right?
Please name the idol that Jesus worshipped and thus made a sin. Please also provide reference.
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
He could talk to a lot of people. We just expect Him to be consistent, since He said He is unchanging.
If YHWH
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talked to Moses he was consistent and unchanging, as one says.
Yehoshua - Joshua
Shoftim - Judges
Shmuel I - I Samuel
Shmuel II - II Samuel
Melachim I - I Kings
Melachim II - II Kings
Yeshayahu- Isaiah
Yirmiyahu - Jeremiah
Yechezkel - Ezekiel
Hoshea - Hosea
Yoel - Joel
Amos
Ovadiah - Obadiah
Yonah - Jonah
Michah - Micah
Nachum - Nahum
Chavakuk - Habakkuk
Tzefaniah - Zephaniah
Chaggai - Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
Nevi'im - Prophets http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/63255/jewish/The-Bible-with-Rashi.htm
If YHWH
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talked to all the prophets mentioned in the above Jewish books, he remained consistent and unchanging . Why should he be inconsistent and changing if he talks to Jesus, Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahamd ? Please
Regards
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
If YHWHView attachment 12493 talked to Moses he was consistent and unchanging, as one says.
Yehoshua - Joshua
Shoftim - Judges
Shmuel I - I Samuel
Shmuel II - II Samuel
Melachim I - I Kings
Melachim II - II Kings
Yeshayahu- Isaiah
Yirmiyahu - Jeremiah
Yechezkel - Ezekiel
Hoshea - Hosea
Yoel - Joel
Amos
Ovadiah - Obadiah
Yonah - Jonah
Michah - Micah
Nachum - Nahum
Chavakuk - Habakkuk
Tzefaniah - Zephaniah
Chaggai - Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
Nevi'im - Prophets http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/63255/jewish/The-Bible-with-Rashi.htm
If YHWHView attachment 12493 talked to all the prophets mentioned in the above Jewish books, he remained consistent and unchanging . Why should he be inconsistent and changing if he talks to Jesus, Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahamd ? Please
Regards
Aren't the messages in the NT and the Quran different than those in the Torah?
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
If YHWHView attachment 12493 talked to all the prophets mentioned in the above Jewish books, he remained consistent and unchanging . Why should he be inconsistent and changing if he talks to Jesus, Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahamd ? Please
Regards
The message in the Jewish Bible is vastly different than the message in the New Testament and Qur'an and intrinsically requires that G-d had changed His mind in order to believe that they are all from G-d.

In the Jewish Bible, G-d chooses the nation of Israel to be His people to the exception of others (Ex. 19:6, 33:16).
In the NT and Qur'an, G-d changes His mind to choose everyone or the religion of Islam respectively.

In the Jewish Bible, G-d gives hundreds of commandments to the people He chose.
In the NT and Qur'an G-d changes His mind and only gives a few tens.

The only way to believe that the Jewish Bible, NT and Qur'an are all the same is to say that the first two are full of mistakes and that G-d only decided to ensure perfection when it was time for the Qur'an. Which again means G-d changed His mind about how to manage His holy books.

Really, just look at the difference between the observant members of each religion and the discrepancy between the religions is exceedingly obvious.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah

The Holy Quran : Chapter 68: Al-Qalam [6]

[68:51]But his Lord chose him and made himoneof the righteous.
[68:52]And those who disbelieve would fain dislodge theefrom thy Godgiven stationwith theirangrylooks when they hear the Reminder; and they say, ‘He is certainly mad.’
[68:53]Nay, it is naught buta source ofhonour for all the worlds.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=68&verse=51
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.

In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.

Regards
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
For the argument that the Quran was copied from the Bible.

The Quran has information about Hamaan. Pharaohs man. Where did that come from?
 

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Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
For the argument that the Quran was copied from the Bible.

The Quran has information about Hamaan. Pharaohs man. Where did that come from?

There's a man called Haman in the Bible (specifically the book of Esther Chapter 3) who fulfils a similar role to the Persian King as Haman does to the Pharaoh in the Quran. Both Hamans are prominent figures in their respective realms - perhaps going as far as becoming vizier and regent respectively - while the Quran additionally seems to tie the Tower of Babel story together with that of Moses - in that Pharaoh is the one who wants a tower built to reach Heaven.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
There's a man called Haman in the Bible (specifically the book of Esther Chapter 3) who fulfils a similar role to the Persian King as Haman does to the Pharaoh in the Quran. Both Hamans are prominent figures in their respective realms - perhaps going as far as becoming vizier and regent respectively - while the Quran additionally seems to tie the Tower of Babel story together with that of Moses - in that Pharaoh is the one who wants a tower built to reach Heaven.

Of course.

But the question is, if the Quran copied from the bible, how did the Hamaan character enter the Quran. The Hamaan who built for the pharaoh, not Haman the Agagite.

Before the Quran, no scripture talks about the Pharaohs Hamaan. Where did the Quran inherit it from, if it stands accused of plagiarising from the bible?
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Easy. Muhammad mixed the two stories together but placed it within the Exodus narrative by mistake. Same role, same reference to the Tower but from a different story.
 
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