RoaringSilence
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you mean there is no such thing as an illusion?An illusion does not exist. That is why it is an illusion. Therefore, there is no 'other' that is a 'real' something to which The Absolute can be compared.
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you mean there is no such thing as an illusion?An illusion does not exist. That is why it is an illusion. Therefore, there is no 'other' that is a 'real' something to which The Absolute can be compared.
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Its not a wrong word, hukmey andar sab koye bahar hukam na koi. -guru granth sahib.
means - everything has command embedded nothing is outside the command.
Basically , when you do programming a code is called a code and command lines within it. command here means a set of properties, which enable anything to function. nowhere have i excluded it nor implied it. ive only tried to set more focus on the word with different words for the same reason , that it shouldn't be misunderstood as a commander's command.
you mean there is no such thing as illusion?
so illusion is or isn't?Illusion is a condition; a state of mind
Unless you acknowledge the problem i.e illusion exists , you cannot fix it. hence no escape from illusion is possible unless you diagnose it. that's why duality is a path and singularity is destination. illusion + no illusion - illusion =1.
so illusion is or isn't?
who are you debating with ? who are you and who am i?The moment the illusion is recognized, no further diagnosis is called for.
so illusion is or isn't?
It is .
who are you debating with ? who are you and who am i?
ME =1 . did YOU =1 receive my answer?But in a more serious tone, my question to your question is: Who is it that is asking the question?
You put words in your own mouth. I only asked ,so illusion is or isn't? , you said it is.. + blah blah (what is illusion)RoaringSilence said: ↑
so illusion is or isn't?
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It is .
Putting words in my mouth lends credibility to your position?
THERE IS NO SNAKE! THERE IS ONLY THE ROPE. There never was a snake. There is no snake over here, and rope over there. No duality. Never was. Never will be.
Snake is an illusion, and does not exist. Therefore, the illusion is not real, as in 'does not exist'. The illusion of snake does not exist in reality.
Both views are established and have been debated over for several ages. For a duality believer its easy to understand your view and find them okay, and yet stick with his without contradiction. But for non duality believer its hard to digest duality. I stand with duality because that is my learning curve until it ceases to be dual. There are no consequences in sticking with either , if you say being a duality believer is a mistake , please explain how and why.
Again , answer in yes/no only the question i ask. no jibber jabber .
Q-Is there an illusion?
A-yes/no. (And no blah blah allowed) Blah blah = end of discussion.
I choose illusion because i don't want to be enlightened and alone at the same time. id rather be 2 and less enlightened.Saying that you stand with duality because it is your learning curve is like saying you do things because it is tradition, and your ancestors have been doing it that way for centuries. To see things as they actually are, to see them with an enlightened consciousness, is to unlearn what you have been indoctrinated to believe as true. In short, it is to free yourself from dogma and doctrine, as nature itself has no doctrine embedded within it for you to establish a belief about. The only way for your duality to cease to be dual (as if it were real in the first place) is for you to see that it is an illusion of the mind. That involves awakening.
There are no consequences in sticking with an illusion? The sorry state of the world is testament to man believing in his illusions of fame, glory, power, security, sensation, prestige and wealth.
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Again , answer in yes/no only the question i ask. no jibber jabber .
Q-Is there an illusion?
A-yes/no. (And no blah blah allowed) Blah blah = end of discussion.
ok now i disqualify you. from discussion because you broke the code of conduct. You added all blah blah =disqualified.There is no such thing as a whirlpool; there is only whirling water.
The illusion that is snake is not real. Only the rope is real.
If you stop your thinking process for a moment and only SEE what is, you will understand. Thinking about the problem will only lead you round and round.
ME =1 . did YOU =1 receive my answer?
ok now i disqualify you. from discussion because you broke the code of conduct. You added all blah blah =disqualified.
I choose illusion because i don't want to be enlightened and alone at the same time. id rather be 2 and less enlightened.