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Why you should keep your guns by someone who lived with Nazi's in Austria
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Sorry, it's long, but it's valuable and good.
Augustus
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Those pesky liberals, always invading Poland...
They didn't invade Switzerland, or Austria (which voted them in).
Anyway, I don't see Obama or Hillary as liberal at all.
I've seen a huge amount of parallels between the Obama/Hillary administration, and Nazi ideas but hey here's to repeating history. Anyway, her point is valid.
Thank you. More people should watch this.
Scary
Like? Not that I'm a fan of Obama or Hillary, but what makes you think their administration has similarities to Nazi ideas?
tytlyf
Not Religious
I know right? Trump is much closer to that with his nazi nationalism and dictatorship ideals. Nazi's weren't left wing either. The KKK in America loves the Nazi's and hitler. And they're not left wing.
Additionally, they love the DemoKKKrat Confederate Flag.
tytlyf
Not Religious
America has a secular constitution, too many people make comparisons to Germany for everything. It's a scare tactic. Everyone should be able to buy a gun in America, it's the only way to be safe. I created a thread on that topic.
Wonderful.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Millions of Americans feel that the solution to gun violence is more guns. Not new common sense laws restricting people from being able to buy a gun. Because the 2A and it's 'well-regulated militia' thingy. You think the government would create an amendment during those years for citizens to bear arms without restrictions?
Doesn't make sense. The government always wanted the upper hand.
Pushing the removal of guns, tiers of socialism, and other things. Really, you just gotta watch the vid for context.
Pushing the removal of guns, tiers of socialism, and other things. Really, you just gotta watch the vid for context.
Did Nazis push for the removal of guns? And how is socialism similar to Nazi ideas?
Mostly, the confederate flag thing is it's "remembering great grandpa" for most of the south. In a time where nearly everyone was racist to some degree (much more so that now), the racist flag argument is invalid. They were neither more racist or less racist than the north at the time. Anyway, I'm tired of the mental midgets having the day. If you are seriously miffed about a flag you need to get a head check.
KKK's views on Hitler are largely revisionist, and pretty inconsequential. Hitler wasn't really a bigot or racist and like most cults of personality you need a demon to scare the locals and he just picked greedy Jewish bankers and other undesirables. It mostly gave him grounds to seize money to fill up the war chest, so don't think it goes too deep.
Most of the white power groups are what as known as "alt-right" which is hardly representative of the bulk of right-wing views. Most of the right wing proper rejects racism, or discrimination of any kind. The right wing doesn't embrace the totalitarianism that would be required to make a new Hitler out of Trump, so invalid argument. Anyway, the right-wing in our country is pro-gun rights and this is about the first thing Nazi Germany would prevent. The ideological separation couldn't be larger.
All political movements have their warts, and if we want to get into it is easy to find them on the left-wing as well. Left-wing movements tend to gravitate people toward laziness, dependency, and equality. Equality was a big thing for Hitler, at least with anyone he cared for - he destroyed the rich, the poor, and made working compulsory. Social programs like free healthcare, and free income were big favorites for him too. With Hitler, you had free vehicles, homes, cash, babysitting, and nearly anything else. You got food with a coupon, and if you ever screwed up you were intimidated by Gestapo to rat on other people. You basically had everything you could want, as long as you were happy to become a Marxist, sell your soul to the devil and ignore all of the people he was killing. (Mentally disabled, old, gay, and anyone that wouldn't work.)
Nearly identical as far as government bureaucracy and equality. Pure equality doesn't allow special considerations for anyone, thus anyone who is not fit to work or in top condition is viewed as a parasite. Nazi literally means "Nationalsozialismus" or National Socialism. At least in Austria, taking the guns away from the population was important. Anyway, the video that was in the OP says it all better than I can. I prefer to have peoples experiences talk for themselves.
I think some governments severely abuse certain ideologies and take them to unhealthy extremes. For example, is communism necessarily bad, or is it just that the government of North Korea are a bunch of nutcases? Is capitalism interventionist and thriving on creating mega-corporations that unethically exploit the environment and workers, or is it just that the U.S. government has consistently twisted and abused the system?
I don't claim to be terribly knowledgeable about economics myself, but what I do know is that one can find bad examples of applications of almost any given ideology, economic or not. And as far as removal of guns goes, if we say that the Nazis did it, I'm not sure how that is supposed to say anything about the desire of the Obama/Hillary administration to remove them as well (if they indeed desire to do so). I think a better approach would be to look at the arguments for removing guns rather than who removed them before, as the arguments for removing them now seem more relevant to the discussion of whether or not to remove them, as far as I can see.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
I've seen a huge amount of parallels between the Obama/Hillary administration, and Nazi ideas but hey here's to repeating history. Anyway, her point is valid.
I must congratulate this lady on her fear mongering skills.
I don't know why I'm bothering with this.I don't personally know anyone who has changed their mind on this topic. But seriously. Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation and we see how successful that has been. The only people affected are those who are not the problem in the first place. The existing laws need to be enforced. Last I checked it is illegal to shoot someone. Its illegal for felons to own guns already. The law abiding citizen who simply wants to own a gun for protection is not the problem. The answer is not more gun laws. I know that won't change your mind and I respect your right to an opinion. But no amount of new laws are going to deter a criminal from getting a gun and committing a crime.
The lady lived through that terrible time. Calling her a fear monger is beyond ridiculous.
tytlyf
Not Religious
You know where they go to get guns in Chicago? A couple bucks of gas driving to an area with lax laws. Straw purchases. Having lax laws allow criminals to exploit the system. I get it, the solution is to remove all laws because criminals don't follow laws right? That is exactly your argument.