Why you should keep your guns by someone who lived with Nazi's in Austria

[esmith]

You know where they go to get guns in Chicago? A couple bucks of gas driving to an area with lax laws. Straw purchases. Having lax laws allow criminals to exploit the system. I get it, the solution is to remove all laws because criminals don't follow laws right? That is exactly your argument.

Please explain to me how a citizen of Illinois go to another state and purchase a firearm from a "licensed dealer" legally that they can't purchase in Illinois Now remember they can purchase a firearm from a private party in Illinois whether legally or illegally

Something tells me that as usual you will either not reply or give an answer that is not a direct answer to my question. Anyone else is also free to give an answer..

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

I don't know why I'm bothering with this.I don't personally know anyone who has changed their mind on this topic. But seriously. Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation and we see how successful that has been. The only people affected are those who are not the problem in the first place. The existing laws need to be enforced. Last I checked it is illegal to shoot someone. Its illegal for felons to own guns already. The law abiding citizen who simply wants to own a gun for protection is not the problem. The answer is not more gun laws. I know that won't change your mind and I respect your right to an opinion. But no amount of new laws are going to deter a criminal from getting a gun and committing a crime.

I agree.The truth is guns are not the problem. Its the people who use violence as a means to an end that is the problem. As Jesus said Greed ie the love of money is the root of all evil, indeed, and 100% correct. Poverty and a society that is morally challenged is a bad combo. Greed creates poverty. Lax moral standards are created by different factors, one being limited religious involvement by citizens. Yes I hear the groans, but compare the violent crime rate in the church going 1950's America with today's fair weather Christians and a falling church attendance*. The above are just a tiny bit of the problems we face as a nation. And its not just the USA, most other nations have the same type problems with the only difference being their problems are much worse. Truly I have given up on trying to change the world, I dont have the motivation to attempt to fix a problem as large as the world. Decades ago I was an optimist and was sure change for the better was very possible. Greed mostly the greed of wall street, mega corporations that included the military industrial community destroyed that utopian possibility. So today, well I am a bit of a raging (and well armed) pessimist. I will take care of my loved ones and even my neighbors, but beyond that its simply too difficult. ~

* I am not a fan of highly structured religion feeling that small churches and home groups are better. I was more referencing the moral standards of 1950's America that was brought about by a strong church oriented world view.

 

[MrMrdevincamus]

tytlyf said: ↑
You know where they go to get guns in Chicago? A couple bucks of gas driving to an area with lax laws. Straw purchases. Having lax laws allow criminals to exploit the system. I get it, the solution is to remove all laws because criminals don't follow laws right? That is exactly your argument.

Do we need 50,000 gun laws? No. That said if you are referencing 'gang banger's', criminals etc 'they' in Chicago IL obtain their firearms 99% of the time from the black market, they are 'hot' cheap and non-traceable. Yes, I know this for a fact, well the 99% may be off a few points, but no criminal buys a firearm legally.

 

[Skwim]

I've seen a huge amount of parallels between the Obama/Hillary administration, and Nazi ideas but hey here's to repeating history. Anyway, her point is valid. Sorry, it's long, but it's valuable and good.

Watch someone invited to talk before a chapter of the Eagle Forum? Yeah right. I'd rather take a dump.


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[David1967]

Watch someone invited to talk before a chapter of the Eagle Forum? Yeah right. I'd rather take a dump.


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Incredibly mature comment.

 

[Mindmaster]

Watch someone invited to talk before a chapter of the Eagle Forum? Yeah right. I'd rather take a dump.
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What that has to do with the content of her speech is beyond me, but saying you thought it did and you'd just be illogical and stuck in a genetic fallacy (a weak ad hominem) anyway.

 

[David1967]

What that has to do with the content of her speech is beyond me, but saying you thought it did and you'd just be illogical and stuck in a genetic fallacy (a weak ad hominem) anyway.

What some folks refuse to accept is that truth is truth even when someone you may not particularly care for says it.

 

[Skwim]

What that has to do with the content of her speech is beyond me, but saying you thought it did and you'd just be illogical and stuck in a genetic fallacy (a weak ad hominem) anyway.

Gee, another student who just took philosophy 101, and it looks like you just scraped by.

Anyway, here's the relationship. Organizations overwhelmingly tend hire speakers that speak to its point of view or philosophy, not the reverse. So, in as much the speech was given before a chapter of the Eagle Forum, a far right/conservative group, one can bet good money that the speech was far rightish/conservative, something I have no time for. Therefore taking a dump would be far more appealing.


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[David1967]

Gee, another student who just took philosophy 101, and it looks like you just scraped by.

Anyway, here's the relationship. Organizations overwhelmingly tend hire speakers that speak to its point of view or philosophy, not the reverse. So, in as much the speech was given before a chapter of the Eagle Forum, a far right/conservative group, one can bet good money that the speech was far rightish/conservative, something I have no time for. Therefore taking a dump would be far more appealing.


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Is it possible for you to have a different opinion with someone without stooping to personal insults? BSM1 Calls this "net cajones." It would certainly inspire a more sincere discussion.

 

[Skwim]

Is it possible for you to have a different opinion with someone without stooping to personal insults? BSM1 Calls this "net cajones." It would certainly inspire a more sincere discussion.

You mean like calling a person's remark immature, a reflection of their maturity, because . . . . . . . . because what? You didn't like it? "I don't like what you say so stop saying it." I know you have control issues, but I'm not buying into them.


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[David1967]

You mean like calling a person's remark immature, a reflection of their maturity, because . . . . . . . . because what? You didn't like it? "I don't like what you say so stop saying it." I know you have control issues, but I'm not buying into them.


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Now that is funny.

 

[Underhill]

We would all do well to listen to this history without the political party blinders. This is not propaganda. This lady lived it.

Of course it's propaganda. I might even agree with parts of it. Racism and hatred is on the rise. People are looking for someone to blame.

But anyone who believes owning a few guns is going to be a grand solution is missing the bigger picture. The problem is not those wanting to regulate guns. It's the hatred and fear mongering.

Countries around the globe have gotten rid of guns without becoming fascist countries that commit genocide.