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Islam fights free speech

Notanumber

A Free Man
You might be prepared to use force, to get your own way, but then you would be much like those Muslims who feel it right to use force to get their own way

Fortunately, I have not been indoctrinated from an early age with the politics of violence, so the only force I have is limited to using my voting rights.

You will not find me going round cutting off people’s heads because they do not agree with me or my religion.
 
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muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
It's not SINS per say that will lead the world into tribulation culminating in the return of Christ. It's Islamic aggression and terrorism bent on world domination.
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Islam is by far the religion that commits the most abominations.

You are consumed by confusion.
Islam doesn't commit anything .. that would be mankind. If you are right that Muslims commit more attrocities than others, particularly in the current era, what does that mean?
You say that it shows that the religion of Islam is responsible .. that's total nonsense!

You are blaming Muslims for all the sins in the world .. the person who "points" (ie. blames) should look at themselves!
Your attitude only seeks to escalate violence, and not to curb it. Almighty God will decide between us on the day of judgement .. He knows best who are the peacemakers

Your quoting of Revelations with its emotional blurb could be construed to fit in with your "disease of the mind" .. satan is responsible for misleading people .. BEWARE
 

Shad

Veteran Member
You would not believe that USA and Bin Ledan were allie against Soviet Union,right ?

CIA Whistleblower: The USA government knew about 9/11 before it happened



and most of voilence is because of that alliance and just came after the interventions of West ?

Look up your source so you can avoid citing mentally unstable individual making wild claims from Russia Today which is linked with the Russia Government.

I am a CIA agent too! I never saw her at any of the meetings.... /sarcasm
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
Look up your source so you can avoid citing mentally unstable individual making wild claims from Russia Today which is linked with the Russia Government.

I am a CIA agent too! I never saw her at any of the meetings.... /sarcasm
So whats problem with source ?

She is ex-CIA agent. why she should meet you to get her credibility ?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-says-cia-warned-president-bush-9-11-attacks/

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I do believe 9/11 it's inside job.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
So whats problem with source ?

It is mostly BS claims with a lack of evidence

She is ex-CIA agent. why she should meet you to get her credibility ?

No she wasnt....



Trump's opinion has no merit.


Which is unspecified attack on an unspecified location. You are jumping to a conclusion that this is information regarding a specific attack known as 9/11. Read your own sources. Did you even read the conclusion of your own source? Of course not since you are incapable of going beyond confirmation bias. Here I will quote it for you so you can read it.


"Our ruling

Trump claims that the CIA told the Bush administration that a domestic terror attack was coming. The report assembled over a span of three years after Sept. 11, 2001, found no specific alert. The potential for a domestic attack was discussed in early August, but it was mentioned only in broad terms and was not brought back up. Investigative reports in the years since found that the CIA warnings emphasized possible targets overseas.

Tenet told investigators that as late as Sept. 10 he did not talk about a domestic attack with the president.

There’s no support that Bush and top White House officials had, as Trump said, "advanced notice" of an attack on New York City or any other place in America.

We rate this claim False."

Your own source disagrees with your view since you do not read what you cite..... You pretty much cited as source calling BS on your points. Hilarious...... Just wow.....
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
It is mostly BS claims with a lack of evidence
We are taking the habit that Western sources lies too .
especially about invide Iraq because nuclear .

What source had no lack of evidence for your opinion ?



No she wasnt....
I don't know for sure,, but I think she is
proof ?
, why they don't judge her or verify the truth instead because it's VERY serious accusation?
I do believe because many leader heads will be in jail, maybe even bush.



 

Shad

Veteran Member
We are taking the habit that Western sources lies too .

No I am pointing out a specific source is very questionable.

especially about invide Iraq because nuclear .

Sure

What source had no lack of evidence for your opinion ?

Research your source outside of youtube.




I don't know for sure,, but I think she is
proof ?

Read her court case in which she was deemed mentally unfit to stand trial and her history of mental problems.

, why they don't judge her or verify the truth instead because it's VERY serious accusation?

They did in her trial before she was deemed mentally unfit. People have done so with her books.

I do believe because many leader heads will be in jail, maybe even bush.

If they were held to the same standards as the population they government. Sadly this only happens in extreme cases.




Using the same source, person, again is not going to convince me since I have already rejected her views.

Amusingly you ask for proof but your own sources are 1. refuted you completely and 2. a certified nutcase, her trial remember, repeating the same claims, not evidence, dismissed by me and rejected by your own source. A claim is not a form of evidence.... If I claim to be King of France this is not evidence I am the King of France. Do you understand the difference? All you have is a youtube video of her making claims. You accept these claims yet think I should lower myself to your low standards because... Why?

Keep digging that hole.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
There's too many conspiracy theories around..

Do I believe that USA sent Apollo 11 to the moon and men walked on it? Yes .. why not?
Do I believe that some "angry Muslims" flew into the twin towers on 9/11? Yes .. why not?

The blame game doesn't mean much, really .. it's more about what we as individuals are doing
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
No I am pointing out a specific source is very questionable.



Sure



Research your source outside of youtube.






Read her court case in which she was deemed mentally unfit to stand trial and her history of mental problems.



They did in her trial before she was deemed mentally unfit. People have done so with her books.



If they were held to the same standards as the population they government. Sadly this only happens in extreme cases.





Using the same source, person, again is not going to convince me since I have already rejected her views.

Amusingly you ask for proof but your own sources are 1. refuted you completely and 2. a certified nutcase, her trial remember, repeating the same claims, not evidence, dismissed by me and rejected by your own source. A claim is not a form of evidence.... If I claim to be King of France this is not evidence I am the King of France. Do you understand the difference? All you have is a youtube video of her making claims. You accept these claims yet think I should lower myself to your low standards because... Why?

Keep digging that hole.

Youtube is source of information , as Wikipedia....all sources... Etc could be lie or tell truth and depend what you want to listen.

I do prefer video as evidence more than oth
Trial ! Best they can do for her!
I do believe there something wrong , people were in caves , suddenlly they trained to pilots planes in USA, and CIA just watch them !!

Its does not make sense to me.


I don't use same source of her BTW.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Youtube is source of information , as Wikipedia....all sources... Etc could be lie or tell truth and depend what you want to listen.

No it isn't. Wiki merely repeats sources. On Youtube anyone can make any claim they want, as per your videos. This does not mean everything you see on youtube is true or even youtube is reliable. As I said you have low standards yet think everyone should have the crap standards you hold.

I do prefer video as evidence more than oth

Your video is not evidence of her claims but merely evidence of her making claims. Do you understand the difference?

Trial ! Best they can do for her!

So you think having someone mentally unfit for trial should still go to trial? Hilarious.

I do believe there something wrong , people were in caves , suddenlly they trained to pilots planes in USA, and CIA just watch them !!

The 9/11 attackers were not in caves. Have you even looked up who these people were. Many were university educated....

Its does not make sense to me.

Of course it doesn't since you are more or less incompetent when it comes to research, differentiating between a claim and evidence or even reading your own sources. The problem is you.


I don't use same source of her BTW.

Actually you did. It is the same woman... Or did you not bother to even watch the videos you link? Maybe I should add it to the above list of things you are incapable of doing....

Your other source refuted your position. You would have known this if you actually read what you linked. However you do not. Maybe the tin foil hat prevents you from doing so...
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
No it isn't. Wiki merely repeats sources. On Youtube anyone can make any claim they want, as per your videos. This does not mean everything you see on youtube is true or even youtube is reliable. As I said you have low standards yet think everyone should have the crap standards you hold.



Your video is not evidence of her claims but merely evidence of her making claims. Do you understand the difference?



So you think having someone mentally unfit for trial should still go to trial? Hilarious.



The 9/11 attackers were not in caves. Have you even looked up who these people were. Many were university educated....



Of course it doesn't since you are more or less incompetent when it comes to research, differentiating between a claim and evidence or even reading your own sources. The problem is you.




Actually you did. It is the same woman... Or did you not bother to even watch the videos you link? Maybe I should add it to the above list of things you are incapable of doing....

Your other source refuted your position. You would have known this if you actually read what you linked. However you do not. Maybe the tin foil hat prevents you from doing so...
Claim that she had mental problem to not investigate is quiet funny . she perfectly healthy person.

You just try to deny anything against your opinion . first it's about Russia source , then about here mental and then about Youtube !!!

obvisully it's CIA failure and blamed for that,because they knew about them,they just wait for "right moment".

I do remember this information very well


Bush administration ignored CIA warnings in the months before 9/11 that 'spectacular' terrorist attack on the U.S. was imminent and 'just didn't get that we were going to be struck', former top agency officials reveal

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-warnings-two-months-9-11.html#ixzz4L21T8UQO
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-CIA-terrorist-warnings-two-months-9-11.html
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Claim that she had mental problem to not investigate is quiet funny . she perfectly healthy person.

Not according to her trial in which she was deemed unfit by doctors. You opinion is nonsense

You just try to deny anything against your opinion . first it's about Russia source , then about here mental and then about Youtube !!!

No I am against your hilariously low standards and your inability to even do basic reading..

obvisully it's CIA failure and blamed for that,because they knew about them,they just wait for "right moment".

Tinfoil hat nonsense to defend tinfoil nonsense

I do remember this information very well

I doubt that since you display an inability to even read your own sources and inability to figure out your two videos are of the same woman. Heck both videos state her name....


Bush administration ignored CIA warnings in the months before 9/11 that 'spectacular' terrorist attack on the U.S. was imminent and 'just didn't get that we were going to be struck', former top agency officials reveal

I never denied the warnings. You jumped to a conclusion that these warning were specifically about the 9/11 attack and were not. Again demonstrating you do not read your own citations.... or even your own comments. Not one of your source is specific to 9/11 nor do any even make a conclusion that the government "let it happen"

Your hatred of the West has rendered you incoherent and irrational. Try again son. Maybe read things this time. R E A D


You are citing a tabloid. Do you know what type of newspapers these are? Again another demonstration of your incompetence to research anything beyond confirmation bias. Heck even your tabloid does not have evidence of them ignoring a specific attack which you claim they did
 

kaoticprofit

Active Member
You are consumed by confusion.
Islam doesn't commit anything .. that would be mankind. If you are right that Muslims commit more attrocities than others, particularly in the current era, what does that mean?
You say that it shows that the religion of Islam is responsible .. that's total nonsense!

You are blaming Muslims for all the sins in the world .. the person who "points" (ie. blames) should look at themselves!
Your attitude only seeks to escalate violence, and not to curb it. Almighty God will decide between us on the day of judgement .. He knows best who are the peacemakers

Your quoting of Revelations with its emotional blurb could be construed to fit in with your "disease of the mind" .. satan is responsible for misleading people .. BEWARE
You are consumed by confusion.
Confusion? That's the meaning of BABYLON. In end-time prophecy, Babylon is synonymous with the Arabs and Muslims!
Islam doesn't commit anything .. that would be mankind
If you are right that Muslims commit more atrocities than others, particularly in the current era, what does that mean?
Come on M-Isa, Islam doesn't commit anything??? That means that since Islam is so bad it's BEYOND REFORM.
You say that it shows that the religion of Islam is responsible .. that's total nonsense!
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


Islam is responsible for the deeds/fruits they commit. God said,

"He will render to every man according to his deeds:"
You are blaming Muslims for all the sins in the world .. the person who "points" (ie. blames) should look at themselves!
I blame Muslim's ONLY for the abominations they commit. I use to be good friend with 3 Muslims back in the 70's. I actually hurt for good peaceful Muslim's when major attacks occur. If Christians were killing and beheading people like Islam does today, I would be outraged and embarrassed to call myself a Christian and GET OUT of Christianity.
Your attitude only seeks to escalate violence, and not to curb it. Almighty God will decide between us on the day of judgement .. He knows best who are the peacemakers.
That's the kind of thinking I abhor. I detest the idea that if people expose the atrocities of Islam, or say anything 'unpleasant' about it, it only escalates terrorism! That's no different than "living in fear" and I refuse to bow to the power of Islamic fear. I'm not saying anything that's NOT TRUE. So then you blame JIHAD on people who expose the truth about Islam?
Your quoting of Revelations with its emotional blurb could be construed to fit in with your "disease of the mind" .. satan is responsible for misleading people .. BEWARE

The bible has ISLAM written all over it as committing the abominations of the earth and being the religion of the beast. Would you like me to show you the entire evidence? Would you like me to post a video of an 8-10 year old boy being beheaded by a Syrian rebel soldier! Or would you rather see a video of a ten year old boy beheading a Syrian army soldier? I have both and refuse to post them on my web site.

Believe in Jesus. He loves Muslims too. He's the only way out for you, even if you get your head cut off for converting.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Godobeyer said:
We are taking the habit that Western sources lies too .

No I am pointing out a specific source is very questionable.

{snip}

You accept these claims yet think I should lower myself to your low standards because... Why?

I see a pattern repeating itself. This is just like Muslims taking quotes from the bible to prove the Koran, while at the same time claiming that the bible is fraudulent. Muslims seem to have no problem taking quotes from a source to prove their point, while at the same time stating that same source isn't reliable.
 

Parsimony

Well-Known Member
I see a pattern repeating itself. This is just like Muslims taking quotes from the bible to prove the Koran, while at the same time claiming that the bible is fraudulent. Muslims seem to have no problem taking quotes from a source to prove their point, while at the same time stating that same source isn't reliable.
Sounds like confirmation bias to me.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Confusion? That's the meaning of BABYLON. In end-time prophecy, Babylon is synonymous with the Arabs and Muslims!

It's all in your head..

If Christians were killing and beheading people like Islam does today, I would be outraged and embarrassed to call myself a Christian and GET OUT of Christianity.
How would that help?
If you are convinced that Christianity is the truth, then you'd be turning your back on it. OK .. maybe withdraw from others somewhat, but altogether? That just makes things worse



The bible has ISLAM written all over it as committing the abominations of the earth and being the religion of the beast. Would you like me to show you the entire evidence?
Again .. your mind is playing tricks on you. You think you see 'Islam is the devil' printed in your Bible, but it isn't.


Would you like me to post a video of an 8-10 year old boy being beheaded by a Syrian rebel soldier! Or would you rather see a video of a ten year old boy beheading a Syrian army soldier? I have both and refuse to post them on my web site.
No thankyou .. I'm aware of what is happening without graphic images.

Believe in Jesus. He loves Muslims too. He's the only way out for you, even if you get your head cut off for converting.

I do believe in Jesus, peace be with him. I also believe that he will be returning soon to the world.

PS what sort of "profit" are you? A 'quick buck' , a false prophet, or a person enlightened by God?
...[please don't answer that ;)]
 

kaoticprofit

Active Member
M-I,

I will always consider Islam as evil. However, I don't dare condemn any Muslim who believes in Jesus life, death, and resurrection, which most Muslim's DON'T believe in. IF you believe in Jesus Christ the way the bible says, you will someday see Jehova God.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
M-I,

I will always consider Islam as evil. However, I don't dare condemn any Muslim who believes in Jesus life, death, and resurrection, which most Muslim's DON'T believe in. IF you believe in Jesus Christ the way the bible says, you will someday see Jehova God.
Yahweh, it's Yahweh, get the divine name right damnit.
 
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