@A Vestigial Mote is of course correct.
Atheism makes no claims about anything except the existence of deities. It no more makes claims about morality or any other judgement calls than, say, disbelief in the literal existence of dragons.
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"There is nothing that atheism (on its own) claims is 'right.' "?
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@A Vestigial Mote is of course correct.
Atheism makes no claims about anything except the existence of deities. It no more makes claims about morality or any other judgement calls than, say, disbelief in the literal existence of dragons.
Shushersbedamned
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I disagree and I doubt that is the description that has been "decided" upon.
paarsurrey
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So it is not essential that the Atheism people are right in their assertions on Atheism to be right. Right, please?
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If I'm claiming to not believe in any Gods I ought to be right about that. However that's the only thing I need be right about.
A Vestigial Mote
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This is all you have to say? "Not really?" You think that is sufficient to get your points across, do you?
Please enlighten us then. What is it that atheism makes a POSITIVE truth claim about? Can you name one thing? I bet you cannot.
A Vestigial Mote
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I would say I agree with this. Atheists don't have to "be right" to be atheists.
For example, there could actually exist a God and someone could still be atheist - without a belief in that God. Just as there could, actually be a "Bigfoot" and yet some people may not believe it. Please note: I am not saying that there IS a God, or that there IS Bigfoot. This post is for example purposes only.
A Vestigial Mote
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Thanks for mentioning me Luis. I might have missed the thread entirely... not even realizing that the quote in the title was taken from my post in the other thread!
A Vestigial Mote
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This is actually a better reply to the question. That, personally, one only needs to be "right" about the fact that one doesn't believe in gods in order to be "atheist."
Purpose? Why would atheism have a purpose?
There are certainly other definitions, but they're mostly obsolete. For instance, one older definition of "atheist" was "person who doesn't participate in the mainstream religion of a society," so Christians were "atheists" to the Romans.
... but if you have some other definition that reflects actual usage, I'd love to hear it.
And based on how I see the word used, I think we can hopefully agree on two aspects of modern mainstream usage:
- atheists actually exist. Atheism isn't just an abstract concept, but real live atheists are walking the Earth today.
- theists aren't atheists. If a person believes in even a single god, they aren't an atheist.
Do you agree with those statements?
What's the purpose of not collecting stamps?
Shushersbedamned
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I didn't ask the purpose of the term.
james blunt
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''If I'm claiming to not believe in any Gods I ought to be right about that.''
This could be an ostensible statement and the opp does not realise that their belief could be a lie/contradiction to himself.
I would ask the opp if he believes something/a process , without giving it any description, created/manifested the substance/matter of the Universe.
Secondly when the opp agrees that something/a process created/manifested substance/matter of the universe, I will namely this something/process God.
Thus truths showing the atheist they are incorrect about how right they are!
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Shushersbedamned
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No. Not with the latter. The former isn't saying much.
Shushersbedamned
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Could be any number of things - but collecting or not collecting stamps is an act - atheism is not.
Its not Atheists who make claims its theists, we listen to your claims and do not believe them because they are unsupported by anything other than faith.
Bob the Unbeliever
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False. Not collecting stamps is something that fish "participate" in. There was no will involved on the part of the fish-- they simply do not collect stamps.
Being an atheist simply means not-theist. NOT believing in one or more gods.
No, I really wouldn't call it a belief but I don't see why the universe couldn't have always existed. I'm not really making a claim about this. I just see it as one of the many possibilities.
What truth? Are you claiming something as true?
paarsurrey
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Out to be right is different than to be right. If one belongs to Atheism, it does not come automatically for him to right. There are no positive evidences for him to be "ought to be right", simply rejecting others does not make one right, one could be as wrong as are others.
Regards