The expanding universe of course.
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"There is nothing that atheism (on its own) claims is 'right.' "?
- Thread starter paarsurrey
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The expanding universe of course.
Shushersbedamned
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What about three balloons? There is only one universe in this reality, right? And I don't want my balloons to be in a separate one from me.
Shushersbedamned
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It would make it even shorter if you made it prose poetry - which it clearly is.
james blunt
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Exactly, it is the context and use of words the defines the logic involved. All atheists would except God in a different description, it is not that they don't believe in ''God'', it is that they don't believe in the description and the said holy books which an atheist knows they were written by man.When we talk about the universe we kind of both know what we are referring to. When folks talk about God, it could be any of a numerous of things.
I know red balloons exist, I've seen them. Even played with my grandson with red balloons.
If you want to call red balloons God, well I guess you got me.
Oh wow, another angle of hangup
Please provide evidence for your assertion that there is only one universe in this reality
Human morality exists long before religion was even invented, religion does not having the rights to being human
Shushersbedamned
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Why would I when the sentence ended with a question mark? In the English language a sentence formed like that expresses that the before said was not an assertion but a mere hypothesis.
Shushersbedamned
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When do you suggest it may have been that religion was invented?
Shushersbedamned
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Or - on the other hand - it could (also) be that perhaps - and I do mean perhaps - their explanation was not, after all, as simple as you think (at the moment) that it is.
I'm think there might be a language barrier here getting in the way of understanding. I will see if I can make myself clear, apologies if I failed to do so.
You are a theist. That means that you have a belief in a God or gods. The term theism does not in any way describe your beliefs beyond the existence of a god. It doesn't describe your moral code, your views on various science subjects, or how you conduct your daily affairs. The only thing that it describes is your position on the existence of God or gods.
However, if you are also a Muslim, that describes your moral worldview, not theism.
Similarly, atheism doesn't describe moral behavior, beliefs, etc. It only describes not believing in a god or gods. But an atheist might also be Buddhist, secular humanist, or carry a number of philosophies which informs their worldview. And there is a ton of variety among atheists.
So atheists have morals. Those morals don't come from atheism just like your morals don't come from theism.
You are a theist. That means that you have a belief in a God or gods. The term theism does not in any way describe your beliefs beyond the existence of a god. It doesn't describe your moral code, your views on various science subjects, or how you conduct your daily affairs. The only thing that it describes is your position on the existence of God or gods.
However, if you are also a Muslim, that describes your moral worldview, not theism.
Similarly, atheism doesn't describe moral behavior, beliefs, etc. It only describes not believing in a god or gods. But an atheist might also be Buddhist, secular humanist, or carry a number of philosophies which informs their worldview. And there is a ton of variety among atheists.
So atheists have morals. Those morals don't come from atheism just like your morals don't come from theism.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
LuisDantas said: ↑
@A Vestigial Mote is of course correct.
Atheism makes no claims about anything except the existence of deities. It no more makes claims about morality or any other judgement calls than, say, disbelief in the literal existence of dragons.
paarsurrey said: ↑
"It (Atheism) no more makes claims about morality"
Can then Atheism and people belonging to it be immoral? I don't believe that, please.
Regards
@A Vestigial Mote is of course correct.
Atheism makes no claims about anything except the existence of deities. It no more makes claims about morality or any other judgement calls than, say, disbelief in the literal existence of dragons.
paarsurrey said: ↑
"It (Atheism) no more makes claims about morality"
Can then Atheism and people belonging to it be immoral? I don't believe that, please.
Please answer the question colored in magenta above, please.
Regards
In my experience, theists and atheists alike are moral and immoral at about the same rate.
Underhill
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Atheism isn't a lack of all belief. It's a lack of belief in one specific precept. I can believe in extra-terrestrials or that this chair will hold my weight and still call myself an atheist.
A Vestigial Mote
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@Shushersbedamned - Maybe if we had a red balloon filled with male bovine fecal matter. I'd agree to calling that balloon "God," if that's any consolation.
Anyon
Anyone can be immoral, you don't need to be part of an exclusive club, many people say Muhammed was immoral for example, Imo your trying to pigeon hole atheism into everything that it's not, it really isn't complicated at all.
Anyone can be immoral, you don't need to be part of an exclusive club, many people say Muhammed was immoral for example, Imo your trying to pigeon hole atheism into everything that it's not, it really isn't complicated at all.
Underhill
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In my experience atheist are the more moral of the two groups, but I realize that is subjective and certainly not conclusive.