Why Believe Jesus Never Had Sex?

[nPeace]

The discussion was about your genocidal god killing everyone/everything because people were really bad. You asked what I would have done. I answered.

Meaning? You don't care to go any further? Okay.

 

[ecco]

Promiscuity is the root cause of all manner of evil.

"all manner of evil"?

Please explain how promiscuity lead to WWII.
Please explain how promiscuity lead to the Great Depression.

Just for starters.

 

[ecco]

Yes... you must be born-again for the words are spiritual words and must be understood by a spiritual being that is made in His image. Otherwise you are interpreting things through a western humanistic belief system. Two different languages.

You are born again by accepting the blood that He shed for the remission of your sins and accept Him as Lord and Savior and that he was risen from the dead.

Since you asked.

Lessee if I got that right.

If I'm not born-again I can't understand the bible.
I have to understand the bible to be born-again.
If I'm not born-again I can't understand the bible.
I have to understand the bible to be born-again.

Hmmm

 

[ecco]

I don't see any real points to address here since it is a rehash of the atheist mantra. You think He is a sick genocidal entity and I disagree. We can talk to Him about that and our viewpoints when we see Him.

You Omnipotent god killed almost all of His creation. It says so in your bible

Why? Because they didn't turn out like He wanted them to. It says so in your bible



Before your omniscient god even began the process of creation, He knew He would end up killing them all. That is based on your belief that your god is omnipotent and omniscient.

That is genocidal. That is sick.

If you want to call that an atheist mantra - OK. But I'm only going by what is written in your bible. I'm not interpreting anything. I'm taking it at its word.

You are the one who is rationalizing.

 

[ecco]

ecco said: ↑
The discussion was about your genocidal god killing everyone/everything because people were really bad. You asked what I would have done. I answered.

Meaning? You don't care to go any further? Okay.

Meaning I answered your question - actually twice. Would you like to ask me another one?

 

[nPeace]

ecco said: ↑
The discussion was about your genocidal god killing everyone/everything because people were really bad. You asked what I would have done. I answered.


Meaning I answered your question - actually twice. Would you like to ask me another one?

Certainly. Thank you.
Second paragraph.
If it's not clear, just say, and I will refine it.

 

[wandering peacefully]

You Omnipotent god killed almost all of His creation. It says so in your bible

Why? Because they didn't turn out like He wanted them to. It says so in your bible



Before your omniscient god even began the process of creation, He knew He would end up killing them all. That is based on your belief that your god is omnipotent and omniscient.

That is genocidal. That is sick.

If you want to call that an atheist mantra - OK. But I'm only going by what is written in your bible. I'm not interpreting anything. I'm taking it at its word.

You are the one who is rationalizing.

The other problem being; why would a god which is omni everything create some bunch of toys that he knew were defective to begin with? It knew waaayyy ahead of time exactly how they would all turn out, just how he wanted them to turn out, and how he made them turn out.

Then he killed them all when they turned out just like he made them. Sounds to me like it must have been really board and couldn't find anything better to do with its time.

What I find slightly amusing is people who believe this omni everything would ever give a thought about some tiny creatures in a tiny time slot in an infinite universe. It's even more unlikely than a human caring what is going on with a mite on a tick on some mole under ground on the other side of the planet.

Im.certain if it were real it would have better things to think up to do with its omni self.

 

[wandering peacefully]

It surely wouldn't care what kind of sex or with whom the bugs were having sex with. Ridiculous!

 

[Kenny]

Lessee if I got that right.

If I'm not born-again I can't understand the bible.
I have to understand the bible to be born-again.
If I'm not born-again I can't understand the bible.
I have to understand the bible to be born-again.

Hmmm

No.... you get a tailor made one...

I must believe that there is a God to have the Bible make sense,
I don't understand the Bible, but I don't want to believe there is a God
I must believe that there is a God to have the Bible make sense,
I don't understand the Bible, but I don't want to believe there is a God

 

[Jon reign]

It surely wouldn't care what kind of sex or with whom the bugs were having sex with. Ridiculous!

Hello wandering peacefully,
Im new to this forum/format, I have a comment in regards to this statement, please forgive me for butting in to your conversation, I just needed a foot in the door: the conceptualization of God as it seems you are expressing seems to be very humanistic. It sounds as if you view God to be a so vastly superior that he would not concern himself with the unimportant ant. I think this is flawed in that one would need to establish a ranking system by which to evaluate god and the ant. By defining God omnipotence in relation to a created thing you have devalued and therefore misunderstood God. Why cant God be omnipotent and completely concerned with thr morality of his creation ?

 

[Deeje]

Principle Difference: The US was not an actual God. So the US was limited in methods used to halt further Japanese Empire Building.

Amazing how justification works, isn't it? The US Government wasn't God so that excuses their heinous use of weaponry designed to indiscriminately obliterate all life in the vicinity of their WMD's? Used not once....but twice.

In contrast to the bible's god? Who was apparently also quite limited... hmmm.

Where do you see any limitations with the Bible's God? The only limitations I see are the ones you place on him.

On the other hand? If you were looking to be sensationalist? Or looking to glorify death, murder and mayhem? Well, the bible's descriptions do fit that scenario.

But by your own reasoning....HE IS GOD so he can do whatever he pleases to whomever he please. You want to argue with him? You won't win, but you can go down shaking your fist at him if it makes you feel better.

 

[wandering peacefully]

Hello wandering peacefully,
Im new to this forum/format, I have a comment in regards to this statement, please forgive me for butting in to your conversation, I just needed a foot in the door: the conceptualization of God as it seems you are expressing seems to be very humanistic. It sounds as if you view God to be a so vastly superior that he would not concern himself with the unimportant ant. I think this is flawed in that one would need to establish a ranking system by which to evaluate god and the ant. By defining God omnipotence in relation to a created thing you have devalued and therefore misunderstood God. Why cant God be omnipotent and completely concerned with thr morality of his creation ?

I don't believe in the bible God. I'm just pointing out the rather silly belief about an omni everything and the ramifications of something that has every ability to create creatures exactly how it wants to and then complains about how they turned out. Even to the point of killing them all save a handful. Even then it knew exactly what would become of the ones that it left alive and still complains about the results. Not what I would expect of a perfect omni everything.

Not my story. Makes zero sense to me. It belongs to the bible believers...they can give you the real answers I'm sure.

 

[1robin]

So, do you agree to same sex marriages?

Ciao

- viole

No, but I do not have an ironclad argument against homosexual marriage or the orientation like I do for homosexual sex. My only argument against homosexual marriage is a biblical one where as my argument against homosexual sex is a secular one. Does all that at least make sense to you?

 

[Jon reign]

I don't believe in the bible God. I'm just pointing out the rather silly belief about an omni everything and the ramifications of something that has every ability to create creatures exactly how it wants to and then complains about how they turned out. Even to the point of killing them all save a handful. Even then it knew exactly what would become of the ones that it left alive and still complains about the results. Not what I would expect of a perfect omni everything.

Not my story. Makes zero sense to me. It belongs to the bible believers...they can give you the real answers I'm sure.

I agree that makes little sense, what is your version?

 

[Jon reign]

No, but I do not have an ironclad argument against homosexual marriage or the orientation like I do for homosexual sex. My only argument against homosexual marriage is a biblical one where as my argument against homosexual sex is a secular one. Does all that at least make sense to you?

Are Sodom and Gomorrah not biblical proofs against the act itself?

 

[1robin]

"all manner of evil"?

Please explain how promiscuity lead to WWII.
Please explain how promiscuity lead to the Great Depression.

Just for starters.

I do not know if English is your primary language or not but it is a common enough expressions. It is usually meant to denote multiple types of a thing especially in the context I used it in. It is not meant to imply that all evil is caused by promiscuity. That interpretation is absurd.

 

[ecco]

Certainly. Thank you.
Second paragraph.
If it's not clear, just say, and I will refine it.

I wonder if you would think that same way if you were ruling a domain, and 99.999% of your subjects were like this "twisted genocidal entity".

As you know, when I used the phrase "twisted genocidal entity" , I was referring to the biblical god who destroyed most of his creation.

Your hypothetical states I'm "ruling a domain". I'll take by "ruling" you mean I'm something like a king.

So, as best as I can make out from your hypothetical, is that a mortal king, me, is ruling over a world where 99.999% of the population is twisted genocidal gods.

I don't think there is much that I, or any mortal, could do. In any case, if the bible is any guide, these twisted genocidal gods will all kill each other, and probably me, in the next 40 days or so.

On further reflection, I have to assume gods cannot drown. Therefore, the twisted genocidal gods would end up killing the .001% of the population that is not gods (including me).

Your hypothetical is ridiculously silly and very poorly thought out. The only reason I even bothered to address it was to give other readers a second chance to see it.

 

[ecco]

The other problem being; why would a god which is omni everything create some bunch of toys that he knew were defective to begin with? It knew waaayyy ahead of time exactly how they would all turn out, just how he wanted them to turn out, and how he made them turn out.

Then he killed them all when they turned out just like he made them.

Sounds to me like it must have been really bored

You left out the part where he blamed them and cast sin, pain and suffering upon them and all their descendants.

To me that's not boredom, that's sadistic.

What I find slightly amusing is people who believe this omni everything would ever give a thought about some tiny creatures in a tiny time slot in an infinite universe. It's even more unlikely than a human caring what is going on with a mite on a tick on some mole under ground on the other side of the planet.

One has to consider the possibility that we are indeed just artifacts in a highly advanced civilization's Create-A-Universe kit. Our universe is one built by a really nasty seven-year-old.

 

[nPeace]

As you know, when I used the phrase "twisted genocidal entity" , I was referring to the biblical god who destroyed most of his creation.

Your hypothetical states I'm "ruling a domain". I'll take by "ruling" you mean I'm something like a king.

So, as best as I can make out from your hypothetical, is that a mortal king, me, is ruling over a world where 99.999% of the population is twisted genocidal gods.

I don't think there is much that I, or any mortal, could do. In any case, if the bible is any guide, these twisted genocidal gods will all kill each other, and probably me, in the next 40 days or so.

On further reflection, I have to assume gods cannot drown. Therefore, the twisted genocidal gods would end up killing the .001% of the population that is not gods (including me).

Your hypothetical is ridiculously silly and very poorly thought out. The only reason I even bothered to address it was to give other readers a second chance to see it.

I'm almost speechless.
However, I have been told I am patient, so I will live up to my reputation.

What do you understand the word "like" to mean.
like
preposition

1. 1.
   having the same characteristics or qualities as; similar to.
   "there were other suits like mine in the shop"
   synonyms: similar to, the same as, identical to
   "you're just like a teacher"
2. 2.
   used to draw attention to the nature of an action or event.
   "I apologize for coming over unannounced like this"

If I said to you, my cat is like my dog, do you read that as, 'my cat is a dog' or 'my cat is my dog'?
No ecco. It simply means that my cat displays characteristics similar to my dog, or my cat behaves the same way my dogs does.

99.999% of your subjects were like this "twisted genocidal entity" does not mean that 99.999% of your subjects are this "twisted genocidal entity".
It means they display characteristics similar to this "twisted genocidal entity". They are like him.
So their behavior is the same.
Therefore 99.999% of your subjects are twisted genocidal mortals.

Somehow I imagined you would get it wrong again, but i decided, think positive nPeace.
You have shown though that you indeed misunderstood.

Why would I create a scenario where a mortal rules a domain of gods? Why would you even think that?

Is this proving too difficult for you?
I quite understand.
Do you want to try again?

 

[ecco]

ecco said: ↑

Lessee if I got that right.​

If I'm not born-again I can't understand the bible.
I have to understand the bible to be born-again.
If I'm not born-again I can't understand the bible.
I have to understand the bible to be born-again.

Hmmm

No.... you get a tailor made one...

I must believe that there is a God to have the Bible make sense,
I don't understand the Bible, but I don't want to believe there is a God
I must believe that there is a God to have the Bible make sense,
I don't understand the Bible, but I don't want to believe there is a God

Why do you make the assumption that I "don't want to believe there is a God"?

According to you, if I could understand the bible, I would want to believe in god. But ,...

I can't understand the bible because I don't believe in god, and I don't believe in god because I can't understand the bible, because I don't believe in god, and I don't believe in god because I can't
understand the bible, because I don't believe in god, and I don't believe in god because I can't understand the bible because I don't believe in god, and I don't believe in god because I can't understand the bible because I don't believe in god and I don't believe in god because I can't ...


Previously you said...

Yes... you must be born-again for the words are spiritual words and must be understood by a spiritual being that is made in His image. Otherwise you are interpreting things through a western humanistic belief system. Two different languages.

You are born again by accepting the blood that He shed for the remission of your sins and accept Him as Lord and Savior and that he was risen from the dead.

But I can't accept the blood because I don't understand about accepting blood because I can't understand the bible because I'm not born-again because I can't accept the blood because I don't understand about accepting blood because I can't understand the bible because I'm not born-again because I can't accept the blood because I don't understand about accepting blood because I can't understand the bible because I'm not born-again because ...