COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

[3rdAngel]

What you choose to call them is immaterial. What they are in the view of those who set the parameters of orthodoxy is what matters. Your view of Protestantism is off. Take, for example, Anglicanism. Your reasoning simply doesn’t fit.

Depends if you believe and follow the scriptures or the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Do you know what the word Protestant means?

 

[sojourner]

Nope, I did not misdirect anything. You made the claim you can get faith from other sources. I only posted the scriptures that disagree with you

Once again: the issue is with your concept of what constitutes the “word of God.”

 

[3rdAngel]

I’ve already studied church history. Got high marks, too. I don’t need the Internet to tell me what I already know. You’re going to have to do much, much better with the burden of proof that is upon you.

What burden of proof have I got? Are you saying that the Catholic Church did not persecute and kill what I call Christian and what you call heretic? I have already posted you a detailed reference from Fox's book of Marty's I can certainly post you many more if you like. It will not change your view however as you do not believe the scriptures is God's Word.

 

[sojourner]

It has everything to knowing God's Word and understanding what the scriptures teach

Problem is, you obviously don’t understand. See below:

This is my point as this is the only place anyone can find God and their salvation

Jesus didn’t use “the Bible” to show people God. Nor did he use the Bible to save anyone. Jesus taught that those who had seen him had seen God. Jesus saved the thief on the cross without the Bible. Your first statement above is a misunderstanding.


Mic drop.

 

[3rdAngel]

Once again: the issue is with your concept of what constitutes the “word of God.”

There is no issue here my side. The issue is simply your side as do not believe and follow the scriptures. Sadly keep going down that path will not work out to well for you if you believe what the scriptures teach

 

[3rdAngel]

Problem is, you obviously don’t understand. See below:

Jesus didn’t use “the Bible” to show people God. Nor did he use the Bible to save anyone. Jesus taught that those who had seen him had seen God. Jesus saved the thief on the cross without the Bible. Your first statement above is a misunderstanding.


Mic drop.

Yet here you are not able to prove anything your claiming here. All you have porvided is your opinion . JESUS was always quoting scripture, even when temptation came. Jesus saved the theif on the cross because he believed God's Word. That example only support what I have been sharing with you

 

[sojourner]

What burden of proof have I got? Are you saying that the Catholic Church did not persecute and kill what I call Christian and what you call heretic

Did you read my post? I said that it doesn’t matter what you call them. It only matters what the Church called them, because the Church set the parameters for the Faith — including what was and was not canon scripture.

It will not change your view however as you do not believe the scriptures is God's Word

More misdirection.

 

[sojourner]

There is no issue here my side. The issue is simply your side as do not believe and follow the scriptures

Straw man. Your accusation is false, therefore your conclusion is false.

 

[sojourner]

Yet here you are not able to prove anything your claiming here. All you have porvided is your opinion . JESUS was always quoting scripture, even when temptation came. Jesus saved the theif on the cross because he believed God's Word. That example only support what I have been sharing with you

Back to this tactic again? Sorry. Not playing. You can chase yourself all you want, but it won’t change the reality that your premises are FUBAR.

 

[sooda]

Your heretics I call Christians. This is where protestantism came from. They left the church because the church was no longer following God's Word. This is demonstrated through the scriptures in post # 996 linked

You mean in the 16th century? There were no Protestants until Martin Luther.

 

[sooda]

Oh so you want to learn about the persuctions of Christians from the Chatholic Church? Ok here you go click me and happy reading. Let me know if you need more references. There is many more than this one

God, this is IDIOTIC.. Nero wasn't the Church or a Catholic.

 

[3rdAngel]

God, this is IDIOTIC.. Nero wasn't the Church or a Catholic.

Using God's name in vain does not help. If you read what was posted to you, then you would be having no problems. Do you know what pagan Rome and papal Rome is?

 

[3rdAngel]

Straw man. Your accusation is false, therefore your conclusion is false.

Aren't you the one claiming the scriptures are not Gods Word and were you not just trying to argue that the NT scriptures are not God's Word or inspired by God?. There is no strawman only a false claim that your making now right now

 

[3rdAngel]

Back to this tactic again? Sorry. Not playing. You can chase yourself all you want, but it won’t change the reality that your premises are FUBAR.

Sorry did you say something? Let me know when you want to talk about the scriptures please

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ There is no issue here my side. The issue is simply your side as do not believe and follow the scriptures

Your reposnse...

Straw man. Your accusation is false, therefore your conclusion is false.

What strawman?

 

[3rdAngel]

Did you read my post? I said that it doesn’t matter what you call them. It only matters what the Church called them, because the Church set the parameters for the Faith — including what was and was not canon scripture.

More misdirection.

I heard you the first time and told you I believe your claim a load of untrue babble (nothing personal to you; just being honest). It was the reason I posted # 996 to you to show you that your claims are the same claims that those who killed the prophets and JESUS made as well as those who killed the Apostles and disciples all through time. The scriptures teach all who live Godly in Christ JESUS will suffer persecution. I believe the scriptures teach it is the heretics that call heretic just the same as it is those of the devil that call of the devil according to the scriptures. This is shown in the linked post above from the scriptures that you simply ignored because you do not believe them. Does this not worry you? It should as this very Word you deny will be our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures *JOHN 12:47-48. The Church does not set the parameters for faith, the scriptures do.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Yet here you are not able to prove anything your claiming here. All you have porvided is your opinion . JESUS was always quoting scripture, even when temptation came. Jesus saved the theif on the cross because he believed God's Word. That example only support what I have been sharing with you

Your response...

Back to this tactic again? Sorry. Not playing. You can chase yourself all you want, but it won’t change the reality that your premises are FUBAR.

Sorry what tactic? All I have provided and said is that the scripture show Jesus always quoting and providing scripture. This simply disagrees with your claims you made earlier.

 

[sojourner]

Aren't you the one claiming the scriptures are not Gods Word and were you not just trying to argue that the NT scriptures are not God's Word or inspired by God?. There is no strawman only a false claim that your making now right now

Nope. Never made that claim.

 

[sojourner]

Your reposnse...

What strawman?

The straw man that I don’t believe or follow the Bible.

 

[sojourner]

Sorry did you say something? Let me know when you want to talk about the scriptures please

We’re not talking about the texts; we’re talking about your interpretations.