Is god material?

[Windwalker]

Excuse me,
According to Shi'a Hadith:
"...anyone who hurry to anything, therefore he does the same work twice"

What makes you think my answer was hurried? That's my answer after looking at this question of your poll you asked us, "Which is greater, science or religion", after about 15 years of considering that question. If you call that hurried, I'd hate to see how long it takes for you to decide what to have for dinner! You must be very thin.

Well,
This thread is just for Material god Vs Unknowable God

Then why is your poll question, "Science vs. Religion. Which is Greater?" What does that have to do with God being material or not? It doesn't sound related at all, since science doesn't deal with questions about God. Religion deals with that. My answer was not only well-considered, it is a sound answer to it.

Those group followers of Samiri that name themselves Jews;
They claim that Prophet Ya'qub[pbuh] was wrestled with god!![Na'udhuBllah!!]

No they do not argue that Joseph wrestled with God itself. The story is that he wrestled with an angel of God, or a theophany, which is a temporary physical manifestation of God. That is not saying that is what God is. God is Spirit. Spirit is not material.

Those group followers of Bolos[Paul] that name themselves Christians;
They claim that god is the same Prophet Jesus[pbuh]

Both claim that god is material and has body, hands, feet, eyes, mouth, etc.

Neither claim this. The only Christian group I know of that claims God has a body with eyes and feet, etc., are Mormons. Their beliefs are that God lives on a planet somewhere near Betelgeuse in the constellation Orion, or some other such thing. They are unique in that belief. They don't represent mainstream historical Christian theology.

 

[RabbiO]

I mean to infer the thing you are going to wrong!
First of all the Samiri is one who made the Golden Calf for you Jews then you think it was the prophet Aaron[pbuh] - May God Guide and Forgive us.

Second,
This is the Greatness of The Greatest that you worshippers of Samiri and Paul than worshipping Yahweh/Allah imagine what i don't know:"...............

Be patient...

I’m sorry, but I can’t be patient with you.

Putting aside your inability to communicate in English with any competence, I have no patience for someone who feels the need to denigrate my people, my religion, my scriptures.

May I suggest that if you want to rail against the arrogant, the ignorant, the foolish that you purchase a mirror.

 

[Yazata]

I don't believe religion and science are in conflict; they're not trying to do the same thing.

I agree. Which in turn suggests that it doesn't make sense to ask which one is greater, unless we clarify 'greater in what respect?'

I would say that when it comes to knowledge about physical reality, science is indisputably greater. But when it comes to coming to terms with life and finding beauty and meaning in it, religion might arguably be greater.

I assume this thread also has something to do with the Salafist belief in All-h having body parts?

I wouldn't say that. I don't have a clue what the OP was trying to say. The English was too broken and the style too frantic.

 

[Rival]

I wouldn't say that.

It's a known Salafist concept.

 

[George-ananda]

I disagree. My ego isn't important at all, except to me.

Religion teaches reduction of the ego and advancing the eternal peace. love and happiness inside.

Science, and the understanding of the world around me is *far* more important.

Science tells us about how the physical world operates. That's a good thing but it is nowhere near as important as spirituality and happiness.

 

[Polymath257]

Religion teaches reduction of the ego and advancing the eternal peace. love and happiness inside.
Science tells us about how the physical world operates. That's a good thing but it is nowhere near as important as spirituality and happiness.

And I disagree. Happiness is a good goal, but needs to be tempered by reality. Spirituality is, as far as I can see, a null word.

 

[George-ananda]

And I disagree. Happiness is a good goal, but needs to be tempered by reality. Spirituality is, as far as I can see, a null word.

In my view we are essentially immaterial consciousness experiencing the material. So we're opposites.

 

[Polymath257]

In my view we are essentially immaterial consciousness experiencing the material. So we're opposites.

Yep. I think we are material beings with consciousness.

 

[Vee]

Science and religion are different things with different roles and I think comparing them is misplaced. It's like asking if garlic is better than bananas or something.

 

[Valjean]

George-ananda said: ↑

Religion teaches reduction of the ego and advancing the eternal peace. love and happiness inside.
Science tells us about how the physical world operates. That's a good thing but it is nowhere near as important as spirituality and happiness.

Peace and ego reduction do not seem to be features of many religions. The Vikings, the Jews, the Aztecs -- theirs were not religions of peace and introspection.

 

[firedragon]

Really? You mean unimportant things like how not to die of cancer, or how to keep your children fed i times of famine?

Yeah, you must be right, if you've seen the proof positive that prayer accomplishes those things. I, poor wretch that I am, have not seen that evidence. In fact, starving people and cancer victims are praying -- and dying -- right now, all over the world.

Praying and answering prayers is the purpose of religion?

 

[columbus]

Science and religion are different things with different roles and I think comparing them is misplaced. It's like asking if garlic is better than bananas or something.

I see it quite differently.
Science has objective standards and religion does not.

To me, it's more like asking "Is broccoli good?".
Broccoli is a healthy food. That's an objective standard. It's got lots of vitamins and fiber, no sugar or salt. The objective, scientific answer is "Yes". But lots of people think it tastes bad. That's a subjective opinion, some of us don't think it tastes bad. Some of us prefer it to chocolate. That's more like a religious answer.
Completely subjective, but it's very true for individuals. It's objectively true that an individual despises broccoli.

To me, that's the difference between science and religion. Science is objectively true, true for everyone. Religion is subjectively true, as per the individual, and only true for that one individual.

Tom

 

[Yusef]

I have no patience for someone who feels the need to denigrate my people, my religion, my scriptures.

These are signs of an illness:
Logic Vs Foolishness

May I suggest that if you want to rail against the arrogant, the ignorant, the foolish that you purchase a mirror.

Tell me these ACCORDING TO self-foolishness tester the link i brought above
My signature is 180˚ opposite side of the foolishness test!
When i claimed that i'm closed to any opposite saying!??

 

[Yusef]

Praying and answering prayers is the purpose of religion?

And about those fools that say:
The Religion is false, because the religious people/holy/places couldn't make heath whom are/were under Corona-virus!!

Well,
What if God Wills Punish someone,
Or Test someone????

If God Would Make ALL health, why Does Send any plague????

And God SendS plague for:
1. Testing
2. Punishing

 

[RabbiO]

These are signs of an illness:
Logic Vs Foolishness

Tell me these ACCORDING TO self-foolishness tester the link i brought above
My signature is 180˚ opposite side of the foolishness test!
When i claimed that i'm closed to any opposite saying!??

Perhaps I have misjudged you. I can communicate in English and in Hebrew. If you want to write in one of those languages maybe we can converse and clear up those misunderstandings.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I voted 'Religion' because science can tell us nothing important that we want to know about life and living.

George-ananda. Wouldn't science (say how you breathe, how you meditate, eating and nutrition, and such) be co-dependent on the results and Practice of it (the religion part)?

For example, we can't Practice religion without a sound mind and hopefully body. Having these latter things-the use of science-will support our religious and spiritual outlook and vis versa. For example, exercising helps get enough oxgyen to the brain so we are aware and can concentrate and have better health. Together with spiritual Practice-our body and spirit (or so have you ) will be alive, as one, simultaneously.

So, how would religion be higher than science? Shouldn't they compliment each other? (Religion as in "Practice" of one's spirituality)

 

[George-ananda]

George-ananda. Wouldn't science (say how you breathe, how you meditate, eating and nutrition, and such) be co-dependent on the results and Practice of it (the religion part)?

For example, we can't Practice religion without a sound mind and hopefully body. Having these latter things-the use of science-will support our religious and spiritual outlook and vis versa. For example, exercising helps get enough oxgyen to the brain so we are aware and can concentrate and have better health. Together with spiritual Practice-our body and spirit (or so have you ) will be alive, as one, simultaneously.

So, how would religion be higher than science? Shouldn't they compliment each other? (Religion as in "Practice" of one's spirituality)

When I read the word 'Science' in the OP I was thinking about the discipline that has advanced dramatically in the last 250 years or so. It has given us great stuff and understanding of the physical but spirituality/religion teaches us love, peace and happiness and tells us to respect and care for our physical needs too.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

When I read the word 'Science' in the OP I was thinking about the discipline that has advanced dramatically in the last 250 years or so. It has given us great stuff and understanding of the physical but spirituality/religion teaches us love, peace and happiness and tells us to respect and care for our physical needs too.

Like medicine?

I've never been interested in science in relation to religion and comparisons. Learned that on RF to be honest

 

[George-ananda]

Like medicine?

Good example. I still say having internal love, happiness and peace is even more important than extending life expectancy.

 

[Valjean]

And about those fools that say:
The Religion is false, because the religious people/holy/places couldn't make heath whom are/were under Corona-virus!!

Well,
What if God Wills Punish someone,
Or Test someone????

If God Would Make ALL health, why Does Send any plague????

And God SendS plague for:
1. Testing
2. Punishing

What is the purpose of punishment? What is it's goal?