Secret Chief
Vetted Member
Non-dairy option for high protein (and low fat): tofu.
It's extremely versatile for mains and deserts (eg firm tofu makes great scrambled "eggs.")
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Vegetarianism. How do you look at it ?
- Thread starter chinu
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It's extremely versatile for mains and deserts (eg firm tofu makes great scrambled "eggs.")
Well...
I tried one month without drinking milk...I felt very weak. Just reckon I am a post-SRS person.
And btw...I think that not all people are the same. Many people have a shortage of iron due to thalassemia..so meat can be useful.
Secret Chief
Vetted Member
Of course, but iron is not just in meat. Dried fruits, leafy greens, legumes, potatoes, quinoa, grains, tofu, sea kelp, seeds, tahini, nuts.....oh and dark chocolate
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
I am very fond of vegetables, and my Diet is dominated by them. though I do also eat meat and animal products.
Many people seem to major on meat and potatoes, and use vegetables as a garnish.
My plate usually looks the other way round, with mostly vegetables and a little meat, fish, cheese or egg.
Sometime I will eat a fully vegetarian meal as a choice, but I am not in the least a vegetarian.
I eat more fruit than my daughters family do, between them all.
It is natural for the the food chain to consist of animals that are carnivores and for some to be herbivorous. Both Plants and animals exist by living on each other or their remains. Even plants thrive on the nutrients suppled by the animal kingdom.
Humans are by nature omnivores, but can survive perfectly well and healthily on a balanced vegetarian or vegan diet.
Many westerners version of a vegetarian diet is unbalanced, as they have neither the knowledge nor tradition necessary to balance the various essentials. The result can be as unhealthy as a fast food protein diet.
Many people seem to major on meat and potatoes, and use vegetables as a garnish.
My plate usually looks the other way round, with mostly vegetables and a little meat, fish, cheese or egg.
Sometime I will eat a fully vegetarian meal as a choice, but I am not in the least a vegetarian.
I eat more fruit than my daughters family do, between them all.
It is natural for the the food chain to consist of animals that are carnivores and for some to be herbivorous. Both Plants and animals exist by living on each other or their remains. Even plants thrive on the nutrients suppled by the animal kingdom.
Humans are by nature omnivores, but can survive perfectly well and healthily on a balanced vegetarian or vegan diet.
Many westerners version of a vegetarian diet is unbalanced, as they have neither the knowledge nor tradition necessary to balance the various essentials. The result can be as unhealthy as a fast food protein diet.
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
The points you've raised make sense, though I still see there being quite a difference between micro-organisms breaking down animal food sources (and waste products produced), and those breaking down food sourced from vegetation. We even craft to purposefully ingest broken down vegetation and bacterial waste (alcohol for example), and yet I can't think of a single corollary for meat broken down similarly. Dairy perhaps - in the form of a great many cheeses or sour cream. But meat? It's one of the main contaminants we're told to watch out for before consumption, and for good reason.
There's also something to be said for the extra energy it takes to break down plant cells to extract nutrients in today's modern "developed" societies. So many of us are extremely inactive relative to our ancient ancestors. The more your body has to work at processing your food under those conditions as "normal", it is probably for the better.
So what is stopping you from living the natural way among the lions, hyena's and wildebeasts in your self woven loin cloth and with just a self-carved wooden spear for hunting in the savannah?
We are, we just got better and more efficient at capturing, containing, reproducing, killing, harvesting food. So the loin cloth became the full blown underwear, the spears turned to metal devices that shoot the animal in the head or something and also the walls and fences and all that.
Dark bitter chocolate and espresso...h and dark chocolate
Sadly we did not get better at it but we spoilt the climate and the balance in nature and now we and the rest of creation have to pay a terrible price for that huge mistake.
Secret Chief
Vetted Member
I'm there.Dark bitter chocolate and espresso...
You don't even need eggs or dairy.
Plants have protein. There is more protein in a Calorie of broccoli than in a Kilo of beef, for example.
3,000 calories -- average male daily food intake: Broccoli: 336 gm. Beef: 276 gm. Recommended minimum: (WHO) 37 gm.
Unless you're eating a diet of 100% gummi-bears, failing to get adequate protein is well-nigh impossible.
Amino-acid balance is also important, though. The best balance for a given organism would be achieved by eating that organism. Ridiculous, of course. the next best would be similar organisms, but this isn't necessary. A shortage of one amino acid is easily made up for with other foods.
See Chart:
https://www.hypnosishealthinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Amino-Acids-Chart2.jpg
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Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Not that keen on becoming part of that food chain yet.
but after I am dead they are welcome.
However I expect to end up under the same Oak tree as my late wife over looking a reservoir.
The main problem is that there are too many Humans...
we are out of balance with the environment.
stvdv
Veteran Member
This line is of course not correct. Should be "There is more protein/kcal in broccoli than in beef"
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Hellbound Serpiente
Active Member
Oh hey, guys, also found one another video I once saw. Chicken chicks are a''holes too, just like I pointed out earlier. Here's another video of even their chicks bullying the weaker one.
Bacteria in herbivores' guts break down the cellulose we can't. It takes time, energy and a lot of guts, but the ratios work. Herbivores survive.
Human's no longer need the long guts, long transit time, bacteria and constant eating. We process our food efficiently, and break the cell walls of plants, externally, by manual food prep and cooking.
Increased Energy/Reduced Digestion
Evolution by Fire
Why cooking counts
Contamination? Yes.You're right. It's dangerous to eat spoiled meat. Meat rots fast. It's cells are so easy to access and digest bacteria begin colonizing it immediately, as well as insects, worms, &al.
Plant cells, on the other hand, are much more difficult to access.
Hence, our epidemic of obesity, and obesity/inactivity related illnesses.
You're right. My bad.
Thanks for the correction. I'll fix the post now.
Hellbound Serpiente
Active Member
Horses being not-so-herbivores:
stvdv
Veteran Member
Below are some interesting links IF you want the most accurate (I have found) data on food ingredients
* beef ("Beef, grass-fed, ground, raw") has only a little more protein/kcal than broccoli. Beef lacks potassium, broccoli not
* broccoli has 166 grams of protein per 2000 kcal (daily need). Vegan gives abundant protein
* But you need to eat 16.6 kg broccoli to get 2000 kcal, which is a lot.
But if your diet would be only broccoli you would overdose on protein and potassium, which is not wise. No wonder that cows grow so fat with all that grass-protein
they eat, and hence cow milk has so much more (4 times) protein than mother milk.@stvdvRF
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