A proposed solution for Young Earth Creationism

[Polymath257]

I have to say, I’m just learning a lot of stuff about how to post things. I was thrilled just making a discussion thread on my own . Didn’t work out like I hoped, my exact wording was wrong, lol.

One aspect is that discussion boards like this don't convey the same information as would be given in a face to face encounter. We don't see the small smile showing humor, or the wink showing understanding. That makes it *much* easier to mistake intentions and misread what people are trying to say.

Add to that the different abilities on putting ideas into writing and we get some of the difficulties of an internet society. Choosing the wrong word can sometimes make things spin out of control.

So, it is always a good idea to give some hint you mean a comment to be humorous. It is always a good idea to try to read something in a different light, with an understanding that the other person may have used the wrong word or misspelled.

 

[Polymath257]

Some people believe their internal moral code comes from themselves alone and others believe God placed that moral code inside of human beings by their conscience. I believe people can ignore that conscience and end up not recognizing or listening to that and do horrible things as a result.

I also believe that people can think they are listening to a moral code when they are actually just working with their own prejudices. I am sure you know of people that pick and choose from the Bible to get the result they want as opposed to the right result.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Actually what happens on this forum is people falsely judge what people say, without asking if someone means it this way they will go off the rails with their judgement to the abyss.

The statements are pretty straightforward.
There's nothing ambiguous about them.


So we can only really choose between that he actually means what he says, or that he is lying (and thus trolling).

So far, I have no reason to doubt his sincerity. It seems to me that he really believes it.

Are you saying he's lying when he says such things like @Valjean listed in post #510?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

If he is like us we give our animals great food and take care of them, so because I don’t think they have morals like humans I’m a sociopath? Ridiculous and shameful way to think and relate to people.

That would indeed be ridiculous and shameful.
Fortunately, that is not what anyone here did.

 

[ElishaElijah]

The reason leering advertisements work is because of the repression that religion promotes. With a healthier attitude, the use of sex for advertising would not be nearly as successful.

What an awful excuse, let’s not look at the lustful desires going unchecked and blame the rules, which people don’t believe or follow anyway. Nevertheless the Bible describes the reason.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

When I look at our current society and the sex obsession it makes sense.

I agree.
Religions tend to reflect peoples minds.

This is why the bible has no problems with slavery either, since it was born in a context where slavery was common and considered normal.

If the bible would be born today, "do not treat people as your personal property" would rather be one of the commandmends.

 

[ElishaElijah]

This is why I judge you a sociopath.

@Polymath257
You’re allowed to judge people and call them a sociopath? Pretty bad bro
@TagliatelliMonster

 

[Wildswanderer]

Ah, so now you are agreeing that something needs to be MORE than just a belief system for it to count as a religion.

No, because liking star trek isn't a belief system. I like lots of fictional stories. I don't believe they are true.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We have way too many people who freak out if a movie shows a woman's breast, but are not bothered at all by mass destruction and killing. Maybe if the reverse were true, we could get a more healthy view of the human body and of sexuality.

And violence, for that matter.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What an awful excuse, let’s not look at the lustful desires

What is wrong with lustful desires?

Would you have kids if you didn't have any lustful desires?
Would you have a wife / girlfriend / partner?

I submit that you wouldn't.

going unchecked and blame the rules, which people don’t believe or follow anyway.

Looking at the disturbing rate of sexual abuse by christian authorities, I'ld say that the bible does not provide an answer or solution.

In fact, looking at the stats of domestic violence, unwanted pregnancies, sexual abuse etc in the bible belt, or societies with high religiosity in general, as opposed to the same stats in very secular countries with very low levels of religiosity (like Japan, Denmark, etc)... it actually makes me conclude the very opposite: that religiosity actually makes this problem a LOT worse.

Correlation doesn't imply causation, true.
But if you're right, we would at least expect the stats to be the exact opposite of what they are.

But they aren't, are they?

Nevertheless the Bible describes the reason.

Which is?

 

[Wildswanderer]

First of all: bystanders, police officers, government... these are not a "higher" authority. These are your fellow humans. The law is not a "higher" authority either. These are rules made up and agreed upon, again, by your fellow humans.

Which in this country were based on the ten commandments.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You have no problem believing in the magic of a man made from dirt, a woman made from his rib, a talking snake convincing them to eat from the magical tree fruit, a dude living in a fish for 3 days, an impossible magical flood, a physically impossible magical boat, people living for hundreds of years, etc etc

Still more believable than everything coming from nothing with no mechanism to make it possible.

 

[Wildswanderer]

What is wrong with lustful desires?

They will lead you to treat people as objects for starters.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Better to have a reliable method with limitations, then a method that is indistinguishable from sheer imagination.

The theory that proposes that we pulled ourselves out of the primoral muck by our non existent boot straps and developed into humans by an impossible process is imaginary.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Again, you confess you lack a moral compass; believe all people are like this, and believe only a threat of retribution from above will keep human society from disintegrating into anarchy.

Have you slept through the last year? Did you not see how people act when the law isn't allowed to do it's job? Anarchy is exactly what happened.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Science is the gold standard. Human knowledge and technology exploded after the scientific revolution.

Religion existed for thousands of years, and produced no explanation of reality.
NB: There's a difference between explanation and attribution.

Of course " religion" explained reality. First, claiming technology didn't exist before the scientific revolution is false. Our ancestors had tech skills that are mostly lost today. Can you start fire by rubbing sticks together? Do you know the science of it? Can you tan hides with brain matter or break rocks to an edge sharper than steel?
I know some of this technology and it's why I find the ignorant cave man idea hilarious.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Looking at the disturbing rate of sexual abuse by christian authorities, I'ld say that the bible does not provide an answer or solution.

Yes it does, the gospel and being born again has given me a new nature. Just because someone has a Christian label doesn’t mean they are born again or walking by the Spirit of God.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yeah, all that testing and requirement for actual observation puts such a constraint on things.....

By eliminating the BS.

But the spiritual reality behind the physical one is the one that people actually need. That's the reality that changes lives and brings people peace.

 

[Wildswanderer]

My guess is that you have been around domesticated animals all your life. And domesticated animals don't act the same as those in the wild. They rely on humans for their rules, for example.

But, if you consider wolves in the wild, they very much do have rules of behavior. And individuals that don't abide by those rules are punished. That means they have a type of morality.



See above. But remember that the morality of a different species might well be different than the morality of humans.

Morality is simply the collection of rules for how we interact with others.

I have studied wild canines my entire life. They are not moral. A wolf tearing apart a living animal has morality? Come on, get real.
And if it's just rules then there has to be an ultimate rule maker. Or I can always make my own rules.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Several people questioned why there would be any morality without the existence of a deity.

Isn't that claiming that morality only comes from an external source?

God gives us a conscience. That's not external.