There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[Sheldon]

58 pages. What evidence do we have so far?

1. Personal experience of higher consciousness.

2. Awe inspiring structure of universe seems to be a manifestation of an underlying superior intelligence.

1. That's just an unevidenced subjective anecdotal claim.
2. Pure assumption, a begging the question fallacy if ever there was one.

 

[Sheldon]

I can tell that God isn’t a reality for some people.

Critical thinkers, sceptics and those who value rational discourse spring to mind.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Atheism isn't a claim or belief, it is the lack or absence of belief in a deity or deities, so saying I can't be sure is an odd claim? You can't be sure you aren't being shadowed by an invisible dragon, does that mean you lend the idea some credence? I don't believe there is any risk of course, for the same reason I don't believe in an extant deity. Given that humans have imagined literally thousands of deities, I could as easily what if you're wrong, your the one claiming to be sure after all, and you disbelieve in almost the exact number of deities as me, except for one.

When it comes to threats of Pascal's Wager those using it always assume that there are only two possibilities. Their beliefs and the person that they are talking to. But as you pointed out there are thousands of made up Gods. What if the "Real GodTM was a God that hated Christians. Even Christians would have to admit that that God would have many good reasons for hating them. That would mean that even if atheists are punished, Christians would likely be punished worse.

If one is going to have an irrational belief, why not make rational decisions in choosing your irrational being? Which one has the best heaven? Which heaven is the easiest to get into? Whose hell is the worst or on the other hand least bad? What are the followers of that God like? For me there is only one rational irrational belief.

 

[Sheldon]

There is only 1 Truth, everyone has to determine that for themselves

A rather glaring contradiction there?

 

[Sheldon]

I already told you that God gave me the Holy Spirit as a guarantee, He is the evidence and proof that someone has been born again and in a right relationship with God.

No amount of repetition will change this from an unevidenced subjective anecdote, into a compelling argument. The fact people have imagined thousands of different deities, also suggests that this is not a very reliable reasoning method.

 

[Sheldon]

No I don’t see that, all your comment tells me is that you don’t have the Holy Spirit.

You've misunderstood what he is asking you. @Subduction Zone is not asking if you find it compelling, he's asking if you are bale to understand why it is meaningless to those who don't share your belief. While your cogitating on that, you might explain why would lend any more credence to your bare claims for personal experience, than the thousands of other deities that humans imagine are real?

 

[Sheldon]

Roughly 7 billion people alone on Earth. Has every stone been turned over? Has every avenue of possibility been searched? Clearly, the answer is no.

I have pointed the direction where evidence can be found. Though I won't do it for you,nonetheless, the evidence does exist. I can only conclude assumptions are being made.

Maybe, it's all in the accuracy of the wording. Instead of there are no reliable examples. They should say they have found no reliable examples.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

This life is nothing short of a blossoming revolution of higher wellbeing. To traverse the mission is to become one with it. Consciousness consists of sub-atomic particles of quantum energy. “Quantum” means a refining of the sublime.
We are at a crossroads of transcendence and greed. Humankind has nothing to lose. Throughout history, humans have been interacting with the quantum matrix via a resonance cascade.

 

[Bird123]

This life is nothing short of a blossoming revolution of higher wellbeing. To traverse the mission is to become one with it. Consciousness consists of sub-atomic particles of quantum energy. “Quantum” means a refining of the sublime.
We are at a crossroads of transcendence and greed. Humankind has nothing to lose. Throughout history, humans have been interacting with the quantum matrix via a resonance cascade.

WE are Spiritual Beings in our true natures. This is where consciousness lives. I have direct experience to this.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[ElishaElijah]

You've misunderstood what he is asking you. @Subduction Zone is not asking if you find it compelling, he's asking if you are bale to understand why it is meaningless to those who don't share your belief. While your cogitating on that, you might explain why would lend any more credence to your bare claims for personal experience, than the thousands of other deities that humans imagine are real?

Of course I understand that and you’re just proving the Scriptures:
“This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:13-14‬ ‭NIV‬‬

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course I understand that and you’re just proving the Scriptures:
“This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭2:13-14‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Sorry, but if the Bible was perfect such dishonest verses would not be necessary.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I believe the world is not flat, that's not a subjective belief. I believe that species evolve slowly over time, and that's not a subjective belief. You are woefully wrong here again.

Actually they both are theory.
"No number of scientists in the world can ever prove that the stars are far away, or that the Higg’s Boson exists — or even that the Earth is round (but shh, don’t tell the Flat Earthers that!)

Nobody can prove that things will always fall down when you drop them.

Nobody can prove that energy is conserved."

There's No Such Thing As Proof In The Scientific World - There's Only Evidence

 

[Wildswanderer]

No it doesn't, that's just wishful thinking.

Yes and the computer you are using is also just the result of blind chance, I suppose. The world is billions of times more complex than your computer.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You are right. It is very difficult to have something that does not exist. It is a pity that you insist on wearing horse blinders.

I will try to find you specific examples.

Why would you try to argue someone out of the thing that has improved thier life drastically? That's like telling a suicidal person to jump.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually they both are theory.
"No number of scientists in the world can ever prove that the stars are far away, or that the Higg’s Boson exists — or even that the Earth is round (but shh, don’t tell the Flat Earthers that!)

Nobody can prove that things will always fall down when you drop them.

Nobody can prove that energy is conserved."

There's No Such Thing As Proof In The Scientific World - There's Only Evidence

There is no such ting as "prove" in a legal trial either. The goal is never absolution proof. It is "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt." By that standard all of those concepts are "proven". Did you just read the headline?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why would you try to argue someone out of the thing that has improved thier life drastically? That's like telling a suicidal person to jump.

Sounds like something Satan would do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why would you try to argue someone out of the thing that has improved thier life drastically? That's like telling a suicidal person to jump.

Did it though? He thinks that it did but in reality it was him. If he realized that he might be able to drop the more evil parts of the Bible and focus on the good.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Sorry, but if the Bible was perfect such dishonest verses would not be necessary.

Yet the Bible keeps verifying what you’re communicating yet was written a long time ago, man those sheep herders sure know you well.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yet the Bible keeps verifying what you’re communicating yet was written a long time ago, man those sheep herders sure know you well.

Some things never change. There's always been false teachers.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Did it though? He thinks that it did but in reality it was him. If he realized that he might be able to drop the more evil parts of the Bible and focus on the good.

I've seen too many people changed by God himself to ever believe we can do it on our own. We can fake it for awhile but God can bring lasting change.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sounds like something Satan would do.

Would the Satan of the Bible try to help you? I know that he killed far fewer people than God did.