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Why Would Noah's Flood Have Been the Best Way for God to Cleanse the Earth?

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Father's advice. When your lying satanic science brother theoried about earths protection. Sky gas clouds had been changed by burning stone gases alight as star fall.

You witnessed Russia's event so do know how dangerous it was. Forest flattened.

You became a theist scientist from that event. The advice how you knew. Why you knew about cosmic attack. Brain was changed human conscious advice changed.

The history a sun exploded. Empty nothing space you said as a thinking man. Had pressurised held suns stone mass into small amounts.

Knowing it was earths first position to be converted. Your scientific idea is how to convert. Exact position wisdom not owning any identity about earth continuing to exist after.

Conversion only the theme. Position I want to cause it myself. Theist man.

In position the conversion it was stopped. Natural says one of event. Science says it wants it held constant. Ignored man of science warnings.

Is how dangerous a man science rich man liar you are.

Precise conscious advice you don't listen to. Your own advice about yourself.

Father said a sun in space doesn't change its origin into stone.

Exact human advice on a stone planets life as advice. Space supports a sun burning.

You knew stone existed by nothing spaces body and pressures.

You also know that space can open by mass energy removal and then earth rock pressures change and blow up.

You seem to be researching that idea. A body gain the star in space and space holes.

To change the pressures of earth and it's gases. Heavens.

You know and said no scientist owns the holding of the heavens. The planet and space body does.

Instead of saying it directly the theist said you can't drink from the cup of Christ or you'll die. As Christ never owned a cup.

As the carpenter is God earth earthquake tectonic word carpenter.

Heavens owns a huge listing of man's aware reactive status. One heavens as mass owns any type reaction.

It's not in any state of peace. As A zero peace nothing position. To begin a calculus.

Those reactions a theist said belong to God only in heavens. As no man is God.

Hence if you reference a heavens gas or body you determine you are going to tell God the heavens what to do. When all reactive heavens is natural history in space.

Your human mentality destroyer scientist criminal rich man beginnings was murderer of family and slavery.

The legal review for a family the peoples rights was finally implemented yes by a rich man. But men who realised their family and spirituality. Who knew science put life on earth into reactive destruction.

Founding building church on Rock atop of the temple occult science building.

Who know the mentality to own by human greed of men is to attack threaten and overthrow to have. As a man in power. Position I want I will.

So humans in science began a war against God in the heavens. Claiming I will take from it what I will.

By attack.

So the higher angel God cloud mass fell destroyed. Like we witness today. Cloud burning falling bodies in images and mass. Like balloons.

As man on the ground placated gods heavenly defeat himself. Is the exact human warning about men of greed.

What our brother lied about. As a first position visionary theist man everything had existed. To give it a word and detailed words describing.

Is to See it all first.

Then falsely theories nothing as if it all gets removed by his thought.

He says energy only changes into another form.

Yet all created creation owns it's natural own origin form.

He then lied as visionary pretend is a theory is always exact. Does not move or change by the idea first.

Yet you burn a branch of wood. Most of the energy burns up disappears residue is left.

Not origin energy term the branch of a tree as wood it's origin.

Exact science lying about using burning of a body gaining space increase as nothing. Energy gone.

Why space is burnt out eternal gone burnt up. Is what burning is as removal.

Why space became present and eternal origin caused a changed separation. Change was burning as secondary.

As change was highest position in destructive choice. Position first natural.

Science of a man says it copied what the eternal had done itself.

Visioned change by the idea of research.

Then actively caused a removal by reacting.

Why they claim they are achieving the highest cause as a copy absolutely totally self deceived.

Father's warning to our human brother. Spiritual natural conscious man first in conscious identity is not man the theist.

Father said our brother has always lied as a theist.

By ego he says as a human I theory a theory of evolution. As if he should be congratulated. It's just themes human chosen and egotism.

So men who sit together in a group can blustering claim...hear...hear..or I agree...or say some inane human retort.

Egotism of man his destroyer mentality. As in fact a theory of anything as said by a human is moot.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
The flood is a historical account which God had recorded, in his word... and preserved.
I dont belive that. Holy men invented it and then claimed God wrote it. Common sense should inform people that its is a myth.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
False. A truly perfect Adam would have been created capable of being obedient to the rules God set. Instead God created Adam easily duped by the Serpent.
False to you, but how is that of any relevance or importance.
I just explained relative perfection that a 5 year old can understand, and you say this!!!?
Adam was made capable of obeying the rules God set. That's what freedom of choice is.
Adam was not duped, he made a free willed choice to disobey his father... like Atheist do.
You can't possibly not understand that.

If God really wanted Adam to be obedient, you'd better believe God would have made sure Adam was a being capable of obedience. He wasn't.
Again, Adam was capable of obeying... like all of us. Unless mentally incapacitated.
Of course God wanted Adam to make the right choice, and obey his wise decisions... as every loving father does. Who doesn't want their sons to obey their rules? Only an unloving father. Isaiah 48:17-18
However, God wanted children who would make that decision.
That's how God made Adam - with the ability to exercise his freedom of choice.
All Atheists I have spoken to, want the freedom to choose what they will, or will not do. I'd be surprised if Buddhist don't.

OK, fine, Adam was perfectly incapable of obedience, exactly as God created him.
No. That's stupid. How could a person be perfectly incapable of obedience, and where did you get such an absurd idea from?

That Means God caused the Fall per the design. So man's sin as a result of the Fall is not man's, but God's cause.
That conclusion is the result of a ridiculous idea, you came up with, and threw on the table.
To make up something stupid, and then form a conclusion from it, is called The Straw Man Fallacy.
This fallacy occurs when your opponent over-simplifies or misrepresents your argument (i.e., setting up a "straw man") to make it easier to attack or refute. Instead of fully addressing your actual argument, speakers relying on this fallacy present a superficially similar -- but ultimately not equal -- version of your real stance, helping them create the illusion of easily defeating you.


This is not a sound analogy. But that's OK because the A&E story is a myth and there are no Gods known to exist, so you are arguing for what? That your religious beliefs make sense? No they don't. Even if we assume a God exists and the A&E story is true, none of it makes any sense as I outlined above.
I am glad you referred to what you outlined above, as the basis for your argument, because we can see why it makes no sense.
I absolutely agree. It's based on ignorant reasoning, and is itself another fallacy - The Personal Incredulity Fallacy.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Yet you do because you are a creationist. Creationism isn't science, it offers no correct explanations about the world. It is fabricated fraud that only certain types of guile Christians believe.
Insulting educated people doesn't win arguments, now does it.

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That's 59 percent of over 8 billion people you just insulted... saying that they are gullible.
Maybe you think you are better than all of them - the professor of professors? I don't know. :shrug:

You are a set of Christians who have been fooled, and you don't seem to care about this fraud you've accepted. Experts in science are the only authorities on explaining what is true about how the universe works. You have decided to reject experts in science because you like Christian fraud better.
Even reputable scientists do not take such a narrow minded view.
I think its because they are honest, and willing to admit the limits of science, since scientist are men, who cannot possibly know everything.

Those who think otherwise are simply fooling themselves.
...and appeal to authority is another fallacy.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
I dont belive that. Holy men invented it and then claimed God wrote it. Common sense should inform people that its is a myth.
Unfortunately, some people think that common sense only belongs to them, and originates from their mindset.
That's not common sense.

Besides, common sense does not determine truth. Relying on it for that is not commonsense
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, some people think that common sense only belongs to them, and originates from their mindset.
That's not common sense.

Besides, common sense does not determine truth. Relying on it for that is not commonsense
Common sense belongs to people that have it. Just becuse a holy man invented a self serving story doesn't make the story true.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
False to you, but how is that of any relevance or importance.
I just explained relative perfection that a 5 year old can understand, and you say this!!!?
Adam was made capable of obeying the rules God set. That's what freedom of choice is.
Really? What was his good reason to not obey the rule set by God? If Adam had a good reason, why did God have to tempt them with the Serpent?

Adam was not duped
, he made a free willed choice to disobey his father... like Atheist do.
You can't possibly not understand that.
Much like children do when their parents tell them not to do something. Your dilemma is that if Adam made a deliberate choice that had bad consequences then Adam wasn't perfect. A perfect being would know God's rules were there for a reason and a wise person would obey the rules. Adam didn't. Adam surely didn't know the consequences because he didn't have knowledge of good and evil. So God gave him the ability to make a choice, but not enough data to make a sound decision.


Again, Adam was capable of obeying... like all of us. Unless mentally incapacitated.
But we aren't perfect. perfect people make no errors of judgment.

Of course God wanted Adam to make the right choice, and obey his wise decisions...
Really, then why did Adam make the wrong decision? You insist Adam wasn't duped. Adam disobeyed God. Why? There had to be some deficiency in Adam for him to disobey. You claim God wanted him to obey, but then God tempts them. Does that sound like a God wanted them to obey?

No. That's stupid. How could a person be perfectly incapable of obedience, and where did you get such an absurd idea from?
This is all stupid. Trying to interpret Genesis literally is absurd.

You Christian you do interpret it literally insist Adam was perfect, yet somehow made a huge error of judgment. How does that fit? My joke was that if Adam is perfect then he was designed to disobey, because to disobey is a mistake. And mistakes are not a part of perfection.
 

David Davidovich

Well-Known Member
I don't think it's possible for anyone to accurately answer that question, since the Bible is silent on that.

Of course it's possible because according to scripture, God's way are supposed to be perfect, therefore, any decision that he makes would always be the best decision or the best way at doing something.

click here: 41 Bible verses about God, Perfection Of (knowing-jesus.com)

IHowever, one can guess.
While God could have used a "Sodom and Gomorrah special" throughout the earth, that would not have 1) required a "signal post", 2) been thorough enough.

We have to remember that 1) the beings of higher intelligence were among men. 2) Men were more intelligent, since they were closer to perfection.

So taking those facts into consideration, we can think about this.
Imagine that Bin Laden knew that his compound would be attacked, by a barrage of hellfire missiles, so that not even an ant a few feet below the surface would survive.

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What would the smart person do?

Meanwhile... Deep below the surface...
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A flood would wipe out every crevice. Not even an ant would survive... literally. :D

I would guess another possible reason for using the flood, was to have a "signal post". People would see the big structure Noah was building, which took years to complete. So they were given the opportunity - a long time, for some to pay attention.
Noah's kin had opportunity to take Note. Everyone did.

That's my guess, but I don't know. :)

But why would God need to give everyone an opportunity when he is supposed to already know people's heart and minds?

Or at least according to these Bible verses:

Hebrews 4:13 ESV - And no creature is hidden from his - Bible Gateway

Acts 1:24 ESV - And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, - Bible Gateway

Isaiah 46:10 ESV - declaring the end from the beginning - Bible Gateway

Psalm 139:4 ESV - Even before a word is on my tongue, - Bible Gateway
 

David Davidovich

Well-Known Member
David Davidovich said:
So, was that the best and most efficient way for God to suppress the excessive evils around at that time, considering that God's actions caused the earth to have excessive 'evil' weather, extremes at the north and south poles, and deserts that have extreme heat and cold and little water? And not to mention the supposed rearranged continents.

I see no problem for the Flash or Superman dismantling the Brooklyn bridge. Putting it back together is a breeze for them.
Fixing the earth and making it far better than it currently is, is not a problem for the creator of the universe.

Huh??? o_O How old are you, nPeace? Also, I don't see how your answer is remotely related to my quote that you are replying to. o_O
 

David Davidovich

Well-Known Member
David Davidovich said:
Um, okay, but none of that addressed what I said in the part of my quote that you responded to: :confused:

That's all that I could think of without becoming repetitive, but by doing something other than a flood, then that would have prevented the horrible weather that we often have on this planet and the extreme cold at the poles and the extreme heat and the lack water in the deserts.

(Romans 8:20) For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but through the one who subjected it, on the basis of hope
...but you already know this, don't you.

Okay, the Amazing Kreskin. :laughing: But any who, are you saying that God caused things to be so bad (including the storms and the deaths and the tragedies, etc.) that it would foster hope in people? And conversely, does that mean that without all the horrors that you seem to be implying that God unleashed upon the world, then people would not put hope in God?
 

David Davidovich

Well-Known Member
Because the Biblical account was recorded later, doesn't make it any less valid.
The event was told by various peoples.

LOL :laughing: How could the Bible be valid, if it copied other flood myths that came before it?

The Biblical account was told by a Hebrew, and evidently is a reliable account, which later Jews refered to, including Jesus Christ.

Well, I'm going to be like you were in another thread: Jesus referred to the Noachian flood story because he was a Jew and that is what he was taught and that is all that he knew. (And please don't apply double standards and say in this thread that Jesus existed in heaven as an angel during the Noachian flood, therefore, he knew about it firsthand. :rolleyes:)
 

David Davidovich

Well-Known Member
Teacher to little child: Do donkeys talk?
Child: No-haha. Donkeys don't talk. Don't be silly-haha.
Teacher: So how is it the donkey is talking to Balaam?
Child: It's the angel that is speaking - giving the donkey a voice.
Teacher: Give me five. You are one smart kid.
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Can you explain this?

Child: Yes.
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Teacher:
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Very good.

God is quite creative isn't he.
In Genesis, he refers to the serpent, whom he does not identify, until later.
He also withholds revealing the voice of the "voiceless beast of burden".
He doesn't reveal everything, and why?
(Revelation 13:9) . . .If anyone has an ear, let him hear.

Hmmm. Well, I'm just wondering why God would even allow an evil-hearted angel to speak through a snake and to deceive Eve in order to plunge the world into all sorts of chaos. :worried: But I guess God wasn't paying attention. :rolleyes:
 

David Davidovich

Well-Known Member
False to you, but how is that of any relevance or importance.
I just explained relative perfection that a 5 year old can understand, and you say this!!!?
Adam was made capable of obeying the rules God set. That's what freedom of choice is.
Adam was not duped, he made a free willed choice to disobey his father... like Atheist do.
You can't possibly not understand that.


Again, Adam was capable of obeying... like all of us. Unless mentally incapacitated.
Of course God wanted Adam to make the right choice, and obey his wise decisions... as every loving father does. Who doesn't want their sons to obey their rules? Only an unloving father. Isaiah 48:17-18
However, God wanted children who would make that decision.
That's how God made Adam - with the ability to exercise his freedom of choice.
All Atheists I have spoken to, want the freedom to choose what they will, or will not do. I'd be surprised if Buddhist don't.


No. That's stupid. How could a person be perfectly incapable of obedience, and where did you get such an absurd idea from?


That conclusion is the result of a ridiculous idea, you came up with, and threw on the table.
To make up something stupid, and then form a conclusion from it, is called The Straw Man Fallacy.
This fallacy occurs when your opponent over-simplifies or misrepresents your argument (i.e., setting up a "straw man") to make it easier to attack or refute. Instead of fully addressing your actual argument, speakers relying on this fallacy present a superficially similar -- but ultimately not equal -- version of your real stance, helping them create the illusion of easily defeating you.



I am glad you referred to what you outlined above, as the basis for your argument, because we can see why it makes no sense.
I absolutely agree. It's based on ignorant reasoning, and is itself another fallacy - The Personal Incredulity Fallacy.

nPeace, if you have time, I would like to invite you to participate in a spin-off thread that I created, which deals more with the issues above. Even though, this thread keeps coming back to the issue of A&E and the Garden of Eden. :D

click here: Love and Rebellion | Religious Forums
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Humans today see the UFO ark just as the ancients did. As men building the reaction by length breadth measures and time of mass converting. Who act out gods stone dust conversion.

As mass is that measure in gods covening mass.

Now common sense says 0 womb space held fused rock. Which is Not a dust.

So dusts would already own destroyed mass of rock involving sun nuclear history. Straight away a humans mind says a dust is holy so don't react change it.

As it's cosmic string was evil.

In dusts of our biology life uses minerals only. Held in water. We live in and with oxygenated water. Higher than just water.

But scientists don't tell the truth. As you aren't using humans consciousness.

Your words are used for coercive science first claim just a story as just a theory.

I'm a human in my position life first. Science isn't first. A human is. Telling stories only.

Is direct advice why using science tried to remove a humans natural first position.

So you know scientific theory is false. Know. Exactly known if you don't lie. Lying is by personal want of a cult group human awarded status.

Pretty basic human behaviour known.

We are one species human. Hence human survival depends on truth not theory.

The warning testimony said as men in science pyramid temples applied conversion of dusts into gold...theme I used gold to smother my body. I believed it protected me from radiation.

The same reason I wore crystal breastplate and crown jewels on my head. It would be absorbed.

They were wrong as life irradiated they died mutated sick owning sexual diseases around age 40. Noah's family bio meaning in humanity.

80 years of biology destroyed in genetics.

So their medical records said as I applied nuclear stone reactions. Wood began combusting as warning signs in nature. Loss of water support heavens and oxygen mass.

So God had to build a protection of earths nature garden as I was sacrificing life on the ground stone. Trees rooted in the ground mass worst affected.

So I eradicated huge natural forests too. As the ground beneath our feet sealed by water ice was changed. Began hearing unsealing. What we walked upon was the rock.

As no man walked upon water the advice comparisons. Son. To compare advice emerging. Life's as sacrificed. Water started coming out of the rock.

The theme only. To see. To learn. To be notified in the human experiencing.

Hence God told man by science advice that the wood of earth nature was then saving his life as water was saving by saviour ice melt the tree life of wood.

Just advice only. Life mind aware was told the messages his mind was given. Psychic advice.

Hence as temple on mount Ararat was UFO hit and blasted into melt. Eye Phi calculus of RA is exact. Can't argue it happened owns the evidence.

Clouds amassed covered face of burnt scorched mountain like Sin AI.

Rained flooded over mountains top. Images of ground life lost animals and humans now were seen in the clouds with science of man's forefathers.

In cloud images that alighted atop mountains as flood ended to stop the tips burning ∆. What cloud regained owned.

Life's taken out of our ground heavens life support. Abduction. Boarding of the attack. Water microbes oxygen burnt taken gone.

Wicked men of old doing nuclear science before them. Images.

As living dinosaurs had also gained cloud images in lifes sacrifice.

As a human in vision gains I saw living dinosaurs in the nature garden. Recorded by cloud causes.

That advice told me why men theist vision changed.minds still acted as if living dinosaurs existed. By cloud image

The same as they tried to convince humans Jesus the cloud man was a living man when he was dead. Just like dinosaurs and animals life sacrificed on stones ground base.

Therefore when you live the DNA removed is stated human and medical sciences witnessed. To document it's occurrence seen you can't argue why.

As you lying evil minded science machine man are our alienator destroyer who did it. UFO ark manifesto.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Pretty basic human advice. Who lives in earths heavens?

Bio nature first.

Who put machines and used machine to machine inside bio heavens?

Scientists did.

Machines don't belong.

Human life does.

In the atmospheric survival of biology doesn't biology already die only surviving a life span?

Yes.

Exact same atmosphere that allows life also allows it to die.

Life is predicted to Inherit a future? Yes.

A reaction begins and ends isn't constant.

Life's survival is.

Theists today wanted machines to swap places with biology.

They wanted a reaction but didn't want it to end. Reactions do end.

So they confessed they want to break womb zero law.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Really? What was his good reason to not obey the rule set by God? If Adam had a good reason, why did God have to tempt them with the Serpent?
Good reason? o_O
God tempted Adam with the Serpent!!? Which book are you reading may I ask?

Much like children do when their parents tell them not to do something. Your dilemma is that if Adam made a deliberate choice that had bad consequences then Adam wasn't perfect. A perfect being would know God's rules were there for a reason and a wise person would obey the rules. Adam didn't. Adam surely didn't know the consequences because he didn't have knowledge of good and evil. So God gave him the ability to make a choice, but not enough data to make a sound decision.
Adam didn't know the consequences!!?
Wait a minute... May I ask, have you ever read the Bible, or are you just repeating what you hear.
(Genesis 2:16-7) 16 Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.”

If Adam didn't know the consequences, Adam must have been deaf.
Maybe God made Adam without ears. He surely would be imperfect without them. ;)
No. Adam and Eve knew the consequences of disobeying the command against eating from or touching the tree. Eve even repeated it. Genesis 3:3

Backing up though to this... A perfect being would know God's rules were there for a reason and a wise person would obey the rules.
From this, you do not understand anything I said earlier about perfection in a relative sense, so let me ask.
When a person says, "This is the perfect room. It's just what I am looking for."
Is the room perfect for them, because it is designed for their purpose?
Because it's missing a jacuzzi, does that make it not perfect, because that's what you want?

If that doesn't help you, would you like me to bring a 9th grader, and see if she can ecplain the difference between relative perfection, and absolute perfection?
Just emphasizing how simple this is. ;)

But we aren't perfect. perfect people make no errors of judgment.
Correct. None of us are perfect. Adam was - that is, he was made the way God wanted him to be - in his image, equipped with the qualities needed to grow, in knowledge, wisdom, understanding, love, justice, etc....and the ability to exercise free choice.

Adam made no error in judgement. He made a choice. You know... a deliberate decision.

Really, then why did Adam make the wrong decision? You insist Adam wasn't duped. Adam disobeyed God. Why?
Adam wanted to decide for himself what was right from wrong.
I would think you know what that means, but in case you don't, you can ask any Atheist.

When was that decision made?
Adam made that decision after his beloved wife went along with the first to rebel against God - the Serpent.
You know what a rebel is, I'm sure.
rebel - a person who rises in opposition or armed resistance against an established government or leader.

It's a deliberate choice, which is contemplated.
Adam joined the rebellion, so to speak.

There had to be some deficiency in Adam for him to disobey.
Why?
Oh yes. There is one thing. He was not absolutely perfect.
Is that a deficiency. Only if you are making a comparrison to absolute perfection.

There is only one who is absolutely perfect - God.
The Bible says of him, he cannot even lie, and there is no injustice in him.

However, God is what he is. Created beings cannot be what God is. That is why their perfection can never be absolute, but only relative to God's.
So God can make perfect beings, but perfect only to the level of perfection, possible.

For example, if God wanted a being that would do everything he wanted, he could do what man does.
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It would only be perfect though, to him, if that's what he wanted. It may be what's perfect to you, provided it doesn't malfunction, but it's impossible for man to make a robot that could not malfunction.
So any "perfect" robot man makes, is still "perfect", only in a relative sense.

It doesn't make sense to compare a created being with the creator.

You claim God wanted him to obey, but then God tempts them. Does that sound like a God wanted them to obey?
Every loving parent wants the best for their children.
Did God tempt his children?
tempt -
  1. entice or try to entice (someone) to do something that they find attractive but know to be wrong or unwise.
  2. persuade (someone) to do something.
God did not entice Adam to do anything. Nor did God persuade them to disobey him.
So, any claim anyone makes that God tempted Adam and Eve is false.
The Bible says the Serpent did that.
Again, have you read the Bible?

This is all stupid. Trying to interpret Genesis literally is absurd.
I understand why you feel that way.

You Christian you do interpret it literally insist Adam was perfect, yet somehow made a huge error of judgment. How does that fit? My joke was that if Adam is perfect then he was designed to disobey, because to disobey is a mistake. And mistakes are not a part of perfection.
See. That's the problem. Most people don't 1) read with understand, and 2) they don't read the whole Bible, to get the understanding.
Then 3) they cherry pick parts of it, to attack and joke about.

That's why they will never understand.
(Matthew 13:11-15) 11 In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted. 12 For whoever has, more will be given him, and he will be made to abound; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13 That is why I speak to them by the use of illustrations; for looking, they look in vain, and hearing, they hear in vain, nor do they get the sense of it. 14 And the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled in their case. It says: ‘You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see. 15 For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them.’
 
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