nPeace
Veteran Member
I'm actually writing this a second time, because I accidentally deleted it.
So please take time to read it.
Just in case you doubt that...
(Jeremiah 17:10) I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, Examining the innermost thoughts,. . .
(1 Chronicles 28:9) ...Jehovah searches through all hearts, and he discerns every inclination of the thoughts...
(Proverbs 17:3) Jehovah is the examiner of hearts.
(Proverbs 21:2) Jehovah examines the hearts.
So seeing the heart and examining and searching the heart is not something automatic, as though Jehovah cannot help himself from knowing, but it's something he manually does.
In other words, God does not know what a person is on the inside, unless he wants to know, and does so.
Does he want to know what's in our heart? Of course, because he wants to draw honest-hearted ones to himself. (Haggai 2:7)
Does God search the heart every step of one's life? No.
Take the example of Saul. When Jehovah chose him as king, Saul was humble. However, Saul changed - allowing pride to dominate him. (Hope you are familiar with that account)
So hearts can change, and persons can resist wrong inclination of the heart.
God can examine hearts whenever he chooses to. Or, he can just judge from your actions. He does what he pleases. Romans 9:18
So who really hardened Pharaoh's heart... Pharaoh himself, or God? Exodus 8:15
Pharaoh's heart was hardened. God let it remain hard, by not softening it.
He could have, but didn't, because Pharaoh was obstinate.
The Nephillim were wiped out by the flood.
How old are you? Didn't you understand the example?
I'll simplify it.
There's nothing 'too difficult' for the creator.
God is able to wreak the earth, and make it as good as new... better than it has become.
How is it you did not see the connection to Flash or Superman, dismantling the Brooklyn Bridge, and putting it back together?
I just wanted to know if you got your knowledge from association with JWs, because the specific things you know well are usually known only through having a Bible study, and it's not usual for those who just soar the internet, to understand these things. Usually the person is in contact for quite some time.
Do you prefer not to divulge that information? Okay.
God did not cause the rebel angel to tempt Eve, and he certainly did not cause Adam to fall, so I don't see how people say God caused chaos.
I understand that God allowed Satan and Adam to live, thus allowing the chaos that he knew would ensue.
So I understand the verse to be saying that God subjected mankind to futility, by allowing mankind to go through all the suffering and calamity that was imminent.
(Romans 8:20) For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but through the one who subjected it, on the basis of hope
On the basis of hope, refers to his "plan of salvation", or his purpose to redeem mankind by means of the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus, bringing them to perfection, and paradise, which Adam lost.
God knew that there would be people who hope in him, even if they were few.
He never causes bad things on people... and especially for them to turn to him.
(James 1:13-15) 13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. 14 But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.
If I write an account after you gave yours, does it mean I copied you?
So the NWT is a copy? Which translation was it copied from?
To do so, and tell persons I believe what's written in the Bible, would be double standard.
Jesus didn't rely only on what he was told by men.
(John 8:26-27) 26 I have many things to speak concerning you and to pass judgment on. As a matter of fact, the One who sent me is true, and the very things I heard from him I am speaking in the world.” 27 They did not grasp that he was talking to them about the Father.
When wondering about something, guessing is not the wise course.
Taking a leaf from the Ethiopian Eunuch's book might help.
(Acts 8:30-31) 30 Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” 31 He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?” So he urged Philip to get on and sit down with him.
I am sure the definition for that is humility. The opposite is pride - the negative kind.
Do you understand why God would even allow an evil-hearted angel to speak through a snake and to deceive Eve in order to plunge the world into all sorts of chaos?
I'll take a look at it, and respond.
So please take time to read it.
Yes, we know that God's way is always best, but that's different to knowing why he chooses a particular action.Of course it's possible because according to scripture, God's way are supposed to be perfect, therefore, any decision that he makes would always be the best decision or the best way at doing something.
click here: 41 Bible verses about God, Perfection Of (knowing-jesus.com)
God does read hearts. Note. Does read.But why would God need to give everyone an opportunity when he is supposed to already know people's heart and minds?
Or at least according to these Bible verses:
Hebrews 4:13 ESV - And no creature is hidden from his - Bible Gateway
Acts 1:24 ESV - And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, - Bible Gateway
Isaiah 46:10 ESV - declaring the end from the beginning - Bible Gateway
Psalm 139:4 ESV - Even before a word is on my tongue, - Bible Gateway
Just in case you doubt that...
(Jeremiah 17:10) I, Jehovah, am searching the heart, Examining the innermost thoughts,. . .
(1 Chronicles 28:9) ...Jehovah searches through all hearts, and he discerns every inclination of the thoughts...
(Proverbs 17:3) Jehovah is the examiner of hearts.
(Proverbs 21:2) Jehovah examines the hearts.
So seeing the heart and examining and searching the heart is not something automatic, as though Jehovah cannot help himself from knowing, but it's something he manually does.
In other words, God does not know what a person is on the inside, unless he wants to know, and does so.
Does he want to know what's in our heart? Of course, because he wants to draw honest-hearted ones to himself. (Haggai 2:7)
Does God search the heart every step of one's life? No.
Take the example of Saul. When Jehovah chose him as king, Saul was humble. However, Saul changed - allowing pride to dominate him. (Hope you are familiar with that account)
So hearts can change, and persons can resist wrong inclination of the heart.
God can examine hearts whenever he chooses to. Or, he can just judge from your actions. He does what he pleases. Romans 9:18
So who really hardened Pharaoh's heart... Pharaoh himself, or God? Exodus 8:15
Pharaoh's heart was hardened. God let it remain hard, by not softening it.
He could have, but didn't, because Pharaoh was obstinate.
After the flood. Not before.Because the earth was supposed to no longer have the Nephilim around. See my post #36(hyperlink). Too many quotes to quote it.
The Nephillim were wiped out by the flood.
I'm not a kid. If that's what you are asking.David Davidovich said: ↑
So, was that the best and most efficient way for God to suppress the excessive evils around at that time, considering that God's actions caused the earth to have excessive 'evil' weather, extremes at the north and south poles, and deserts that have extreme heat and cold and little water? And not to mention the supposed rearranged continents.
Huh??? How old are you, nPeace? Also, I don't see how your answer is remotely related to my quote that you are replying to.
How old are you? Didn't you understand the example?
I'll simplify it.
There's nothing 'too difficult' for the creator.
God is able to wreak the earth, and make it as good as new... better than it has become.
How is it you did not see the connection to Flash or Superman, dismantling the Brooklyn Bridge, and putting it back together?
I don't know what particular Atheists believe, but I get your point.Interesting that you should ask me that because you seem to know what Atheists teach quite well. Is that because you were an Atheist?
I just wanted to know if you got your knowledge from association with JWs, because the specific things you know well are usually known only through having a Bible study, and it's not usual for those who just soar the internet, to understand these things. Usually the person is in contact for quite some time.
Do you prefer not to divulge that information? Okay.
What would you say God caused David?David Davidovich said: ↑
Um, okay, but none of that addressed what I said in the part of my quote that you responded to:
That's all that I could think of without becoming repetitive, but by doing something other than a flood, then that would have prevented the horrible weather that we often have on this planet and the extreme cold at the poles and the extreme heat and the lack water in the deserts.
Okay, the Amazing Kreskin. But any who, are you saying that God caused things to be so bad (including the storms and the deaths and the tragedies, etc.) that it would foster hope in people? And conversely, does that mean that without all the horrors that you seem to be implying that God unleashed upon the world, then people would not put hope in God?
God did not cause the rebel angel to tempt Eve, and he certainly did not cause Adam to fall, so I don't see how people say God caused chaos.
I understand that God allowed Satan and Adam to live, thus allowing the chaos that he knew would ensue.
So I understand the verse to be saying that God subjected mankind to futility, by allowing mankind to go through all the suffering and calamity that was imminent.
(Romans 8:20) For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but through the one who subjected it, on the basis of hope
On the basis of hope, refers to his "plan of salvation", or his purpose to redeem mankind by means of the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus, bringing them to perfection, and paradise, which Adam lost.
God knew that there would be people who hope in him, even if they were few.
He never causes bad things on people... and especially for them to turn to him.
(James 1:13-15) 13 When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. 14 But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn sin, when it has been carried out, brings forth death.
Copied? Who said anything about copied?LOL How could the Bible be valid, if it copied other flood myths that came before it?
If I write an account after you gave yours, does it mean I copied you?
So the NWT is a copy? Which translation was it copied from?
You are asking me to dismiss this, and this, and this, and... you know, practically everthing the Bible says about Jesus.Well, I'm going to be like you were in another thread: Jesus referred to the Noachian flood story because he was a Jew and that is what he was taught and that is all that he knew. (And please don't apply double standards and say in this thread that Jesus existed in heaven as an angel during the Noachian flood, therefore, he knew about it firsthand. )
To do so, and tell persons I believe what's written in the Bible, would be double standard.
Jesus didn't rely only on what he was told by men.
(John 8:26-27) 26 I have many things to speak concerning you and to pass judgment on. As a matter of fact, the One who sent me is true, and the very things I heard from him I am speaking in the world.” 27 They did not grasp that he was talking to them about the Father.
You guessed wrong,Hmmm. Well, I'm just wondering why God would even allow an evil-hearted angel to speak through a snake and to deceive Eve in order to plunge the world into all sorts of chaos. But I guess God wasn't paying attention.
When wondering about something, guessing is not the wise course.
Taking a leaf from the Ethiopian Eunuch's book might help.
(Acts 8:30-31) 30 Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said: “Do you actually know what you are reading?” 31 He said: “Really, how could I ever do so unless someone guided me?” So he urged Philip to get on and sit down with him.
I am sure the definition for that is humility. The opposite is pride - the negative kind.
Do you understand why God would even allow an evil-hearted angel to speak through a snake and to deceive Eve in order to plunge the world into all sorts of chaos?
I took a glance at it David, and it looks like another essay... or book. Can you post a more succinct version, and give me a mention?nPeace, if you have time, I would like to invite you to participate in a spin-off thread that I created, which deals more with the issues above. Even though, this thread keeps coming back to the issue of A&E and the Garden of Eden.
click here: Love and Rebellion | Religious Forums
I'll take a look at it, and respond.