Double-blind Prayer Efficacy Test -- Really?

[PruePhillip]

And how are you claiming those stats do this, and where is the link to the poll? Like herding cats.

Well going back two generations polygamy was a big no no. The left would never countenance it. One Time article said abortion to the right is like polygamy to the left.
Only the left is shifting. The biggest shift in the figures below is polygamy. Come from almost nowhere to nearly 20% approval.
Frankly I can't see this as a good thing - one guy has ten wives and nine other guys have none. And what sort of marriage for those ten women?
But... it will be dressed up with some fancy buzz word, maybe 'marriage equality'?

 

[PruePhillip]

You went from terminal cancer to "boredom". You are either being intentionally cartoonist or profoundly irrational

No, not quite, but close. Depression is one of the reasons given by euthanasia now.
I had a work friend who was strongly pro-euthenasia. I showed him one of those slippery slope arguments in a newspaper article. He was highly offended by it. The article said that maybe one day soon you could be tapped on the shoulder in an old age home and offered the needle, after all, others in the ward had taken the option and helped lighten the burden on society.
With 47% of euthenasia 'patients' terminating their lives because they fee they're a burden - we are either at that point already, or fast approaching it.

And cartoonish? The whole trans issue has been cartoonish since the days people lost their jobs or careers over a pronoun, or a rapist declared himself a woman to rape women prisoners in a women's prison, of 1400 girls are raped in the name of respecting Muslim culture. Cartoons galore.

 

[ppp]

I am rapidly losing interest in responding to be honest, there's a spot on my ignore list that might just fit this one soon.

Yep.

 

[ppp]

No, not quite, but close. Depression is one of the reasons given by euthanasia now.

Now you're just making stuff up. I have no use for an interlocuter who is so bereft of probity. Good bye.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You raise a good point about how subjective secular morality can be. This man:
has strong morality concerning the life of unborn children
has a moral stance concerning the rights given by the constitution.

His morality is different to yous by 180 degrees. This is the problem of secular, 'be true to yourself' morality - which is essentially a political rather than spiritual thing. Yuk.

What makes you think God-derived morality isn't subjective? Or arbitrary?

 

[PruePhillip]

What makes you think God-derived morality isn't subjective? Or arbitrary?

If it's subjective to God then it's objective to me. There are either absolute truths or there are not. There is either a God or there is not.
So if you want to be secular then you become your own god, the arbiter of your own rules.

 

[PruePhillip]

Now you're just making stuff up. I have no use for an interlocuter who is so bereft of probity. Good bye.

In Australia 47% of all euthenasia cases involve people who are not terminally ill people.
The euthenasia lobby promised this would never happen.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In Australia 47% of all euthenasia cases involve people who are not terminally ill people.
The euthenasia lobby promised this would never happen.

And it probably never did. I see that this claim is not supported by a reliable soruce.

Hmmm, I wonder why?

 

[PruePhillip]

And it probably never did. I see that this claim is not supported by a reliable soruce.

Hmmm, I wonder why?

'cos some people read all the time, not just to dig up sources for some pre-held belief.
The key reason many people chose euthenasia is because they don't want to be a burden to others. Our liberated, inclusive and loving society increasingly shoves old people into homes, to be forgotten. I have no doubt that already carers and doctors are asking such people if they want to be euthenized. Maybe reminding them of their cost to society.

 

[Subduction Zone]

'cos some people read all the time, not just to dig up sources for some pre-held belief.
The key reason many people chose euthenasia is because they don't want to be a burden to others. Our liberated, inclusive and loving society increasingly shoves old people into homes, to be forgotten. I have no doubt that already carers and doctors are asking such people if they want to be euthenized. Maybe reminding them of their cost to society.

Once again, though it was only implied in the previous post, citation needed. Otherwise all it takes to refute your post is a "Nuh hu, 100% had a fatal disease". They are both claims without a proper source.

 

[PruePhillip]

Once again, though it was only implied in the previous post, citation needed. Otherwise all it takes to refute your post is a "Nuh hu, 100% had a fatal disease". They are both claims without a proper source.

Once again, though it was only implied in the previous post, citation needed. Otherwise all it takes to refute your post is a "Nuh hu, 100% had a fatal disease". They are both claims without a proper source.

Methinks you are dodging the issue.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Methinks you are dodging the issue.

No, you are dodging. There is no "issue' because you made what appears to be a false claim about young kids in China.

 

[Sheldon]

SkepticThinker said: ↑
What makes you think God-derived morality isn't subjective? Or arbitrary?

Anyone else think this looks like a stepped on unused condom?

If it's subjective to God then it's objective to me. There are either absolute truths or there are not. There is either a God or there is not.

So you are basing your morality on a subjective belief, hence your morals are just as subjective as those of an atheist.

We all use our evolved ability to reason in order to evaluate what we think is moral, we have nothing else beyond instincts left over from our evolved past.

Whether we believe in a deity or not, we either can do this, or we cannot, if we can then why would we need divine diktat, if we cannot then we would have no way to know divine diktat is moral, either way the process is and must be a subjective one.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you are basing your morality on a subjective belief, hence your morals are just as subjective as those of an atheist.

We all use our evolved ability to reason in order to evaluate what we think is moral, we have nothing else beyond instincts left over from our evolved past.

Whether we believe in a deity or not, we either can do this, or we cannot, if we can then why would we need divine diktat, if we cannot then we would have no way to know divine diktat is moral, either way the process is and must be a subjective one.

Dang! Ain't logic a female dog that has had puppies!

 

[PruePhillip]

No, you are dodging. There is no "issue' because you made what appears to be a false claim about young kids in China.

Young kids in China ????

 

[Subduction Zone]

Young kids in China ????

Youth in Asia.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Now you're just making stuff up. I have no use for an interlocuter who is so bereft of probity. Good bye.

Funny how if you don't like em you just ignore them. Good debate technique!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Funny how if you don't like em you just ignore them. Good debate technique!

You could always try to find a valid source that supports your claims. That would refute what seems to be an implication that you may not have been debating honestly.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You could always try to find a valid source that supports your claims. That would refute what seems to be an implication that you may not have been debating honestly.

Who are you talking to?

 

[SkepticThinker]

If it's subjective to God then it's objective to me.

It's still subjective and arbitrary - based on the whims of this God at any given moment, based on what this God thinks and feels.

There are either absolute truths or there are not. There is either a God or there is not.

Can you demonstrate the existence of absolute truths or God(s)? How do we find these absolute truths you speak of?

So if you want to be secular then you become your own god, the arbiter of your own rules.

I don't know who else would or could be the arbiter of my morality, other than myself. I don't see any God(s) anywhere. And if the God of the Bible is out there, I say he's immoral.