Double-blind Prayer Efficacy Test -- Really?

[Subduction Zone]

With flat earthers

I see that you are still very very confused. Your beliefs are only a hair different from those of Flat Earthers. There would be nothing wrong with including you with them as a general group.

 

[PruePhillip]

All of those have been here your whole life. The only one that is fairly recent is LSD, and that is all but nonexistent today.

And some people get tattoos, so what? That is hundreds or even thousands of years old and has nothing to do with morals, good or bad. You have a very strange outlook on life. Perhaps you were too sheltered when you grew up? I really do not know..

You have yet to show anyway that life has gotten worse. Your info says that you are only 42 years old but you sound as if you are 82.

An 'immoral person' in 1900 would be your deadbeat dad who dumped his kids and wife, sported tatts, drank, smoked, gambled, played the field, swore.... you get the drift. The percentage of such people back then was small, today it's quite sizable. About this time there was a 'pandemic of divorce' when it reached 3%.
So what has happened is that as personal morals have declined the word 'moral' was redefined. So your hippy driving steel spikes into a tree to kill someone cutting it down is 'moral' and the guy you just killed, probably family guy, white picket fence lad, wife and kids in an over-populated planet, working hard, saving etc. is now the 'bad' guy. This new 'morality' is political morality as opposed to religious morality.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I see that you are still very very confused. Your beliefs are only a hair different from those of Flat Earthers. There would be nothing wrong with including you with them as a general group.

Yeah with atheists that deny reality of a
Creator

 

[ppp]

I am not old enuf to remember when there was the death sentence for adultery, but I do recall a time when it wasn't polite for a man to swear, particularly in front of a woman. And I remember when 'drugs' meant cigarettes. And I recall never having to lock our house door.

My profile below makes it clear where 'morality' has gone, or where it's heading.

Indeed. If your those Gallup polls are correct then things have generally trended from less moral to more moral.

 

[ppp]

With flat earthers

You actually have to form complete sentences to be understood.

 

[PruePhillip]

Indeed. If your those Gallup polls are correct then things have generally trended from less moral to more moral.

Really, approval for adultery going up?
On a totally OBJECTIVE basis, how is that good for society?

 

[ppp]

Really, approval for adultery going up?
On a totally OBJECTIVE basis, how is that good for society?

Again. Words. The term 'generally trended' refers to the list as a whole. Not a single item on that list. If 9 people improve their grades and 1 person's grades drop, the class has still generally trended towards improvement.

Every thing other than the adultery on that list is a moral improvement. And I would have to know how they define adultery to judge the value of the statistic.

 

[PruePhillip]

Again. Words. The term 'generally trended' refers to the list as a whole. Not a single item on that list. If 9 people improve their grades and 1 person's grades drop, the class has still generally trended towards improvement.

Every thing other than the adultery on that list is a moral improvement. And I would have to know how they define adultery to judge the value of the statistic.

Well how do babies outside of marriage do in regards of education and general well being ?
And approval for suicide going up and up?
Is polygamy going to help the lot of women, or is it going to be one woman with many husbands?

 

[Sheldon]

I am not old enuf to remember when there was the death sentence for adultery, but I do recall a time when it wasn't polite for a man to swear, particularly in front of a woman. And I remember when 'drugs' meant cigarettes. And I recall never having to lock our house door.
I was at a security seminar 1990's. Someone spoke about the new tech - it was said some of this stuff (ie CCT cameras) were available but the time wasn't right for them - but give another ten years or so.... That surprised me, kind of unsettling really. And sure enough, soon everyone was demanding all this security stuff.
My profile below makes it clear where 'morality' has gone, or where it's heading.

Just another paranoid disjointed rant, given how little people had to steal in the very recent past, it should surprise anyone that crimes like burglary have increased as people have more expensive items in their homes.

Your profile signature is a comment on your bizarre biased and disjointed reasoning, since morals are subjective, your opinion on what is and is not moral is no more than your subjective opinion, and some of those are demonstrably bizarre. However you seem to enjoy indulging this subjective idea, but your posts have shown you don't fact check your claim properly, and your reasoning is pretty facile, misrepresenting stats and using broad sweeping claims not supported by anything but a cursory and biased view of the evidence.

 

[Sheldon]

I don't mean that cigaretttes were considered like 'drugs' (which they are) I mean if you wanted to be a bad/cool/mature guy you smoked. But then came LSD and dope for the mainstream, and then heroin, cocain, crack, opioids. Each more sinister.
Yes the Greeks, amongst everyone else, complained about kids. But kids then were disrespectful - now some kids carry guns, do drugs and porn, tattoos etc..

You throw the word mainstream around like confetti, and you're nearly always using it incorrectly or without any context. LSD has never been "mainstream" even among those who indulge in recreational drugs, if that's what you mean, but then yesterday you claimed pornographic films were mainstream, that was hilarious enough, but then you cited as evidence a timid rom com that was about 30 years old.

It's cocaine by the way not cocain (sic), and can you offer something beyond your broad assumption that cocaine is more sinister than LSD or dope? Sinister how exactly, and what evidence supports this arbitrary claim? Many Opioids were legal not that long ago, and how do you accurate records were kept of drug taking when it was legal, and the potential risks largely unknown, this is what I mean by your reasoning being facile and knee jerk reactions you post without properly understanding or checking the evidence. You also list things as immoral that many people would not agree with, as if your opinion proves the point.

Some kids, priceless, how many children die unnecessarily from the effects of poverty or disease now, compared to say a hundred years ago? You are the undoubted king of the negative stereotype, but this is just histrionics on your part.

 

[Sheldon]

With flat earthers

What about flat earthers?

 

[Sheldon]

Well how do babies outside of marriage do in regards of education and general well being ?

I give up how? Please present solid objective evidence fo whatever you are implying here?

And approval for suicide going up and up?

another facile claim, says who, and in what context? You're just making things up again, without any attempt at context.

Is polygamy going to help the lot of women, or is it going to be one woman with many husbands?

Who said it would, and why would we care anyway, polygamy is illegal in the UK, are you saying polygamy is legal in Australia?

 

[PruePhillip]

I give up how? Please present solid objective evidence fo whatever you are implying here?



another facile claim, says who, and in what context? You're just making things up again, without any attempt at context.


Who said it would, and why would we care anyway, polygamy is illegal in the UK, are you saying polygamy is legal in Australia?

Gallop Poll support for suicide 13 to 18 percent over 15 years. One percent increase every three years. Remember when the euthenasia lobby said this would never happen? But did - 'Assisted suicide is for terminally ill patients who have less than six months to live and are in pain.' actually work? It would never be for terminating people's lives for othe reasons. Like the claim of the gay movement there will not be gay marriage - that's just extremists talking', the same people who set this new 'standard' for euthenasia were soon seeking to 'reform' euthenasia for on-demand access.

Polygamy will not be illegal in any Western country eventually. It will be supported by the same people who today are 'opposed' to it. The fast move in the approval figures shows this won't be far off. I reckon it will become a 'hot button' issue for the shallow minded with five years.

 

[PruePhillip]

Youthwo the word mainstream around like confetti, and you're nearly always using it incorrectly or without any context. LSD has never been "mainstream" even among those who indulge in recreational drugs, if that's what you mean, but then yesterday you claimed pornographic films were mainstream. that was hilarious enough, but then you cited as evidence a timid rom com that was about 30 years old.

It's cocaine by the way not cocain (sic), and can you offer something beyond your broad assumption that cocaine is more sinister than LSD or dope? Sinister how exactly, and what evidence supports this arbitrary claim? Many Opioids were legal not that long ago, and how do you accurate records were kept of drug taking when it was legal, and the potential risks largely unknown, this is what I mean by your reasoning being facile and knee jerk reactions you post without properly understanding or checking the evidence. You also list things as immoral that many people would not agree with, as if your opinion proves the point.

Some kids, priceless, how many children die unnecessarily from the effects of poverty or disease now, compared to say a hundred years ago? You are the undoubted king of the negative stereotype, but this is just histrionics on your part.

Kids dying of poverty were not dying of life style choices like drug addicts do.
Mainstream means the average joe or joan in the street. Drinking and smoking were mainstream in the 20th Century, but increasingly smoking is becoming less mainstream.

 

[PruePhillip]

Just another paranoid disjointed rant, given how little people had to steal in the very recent past, it should surprise anyone that crimes like burglary have increased as people have more expensive items in their homes.

Your profile signature is a comment on your bizarre biased and disjointed reasoning, since morals are subjective, your opinion on what is and is not moral is no more than your subjective opinion, and some of those are demonstrably bizarre. However you seem to enjoy indulging this subjective idea, but your posts have shown you don't fact check your claim properly, and your reasoning is pretty facile, misrepresenting stats and using broad sweeping claims not supported by anything but a cursory and biased view of the evidence.

No I haven't bothered to fact check the Gallop Poll findings. I didn't see the need to do so.

 

[Sheldon]

Gallop Poll support for suicide 13 to 18 percent over 15 years. One percent increase every three years. Remember when the euthenasia lobby said this would never happen?

Again no link or citation of any kind, and what is the context ffs? The problem is you employ this shoot and scoot method, reeling off ludicrous claims, without proper evidence or context, and by the time someone else's has fact checked it, and found out your claims not supported by the facts, you're already off into the next disjointed rant.

1. Link the poll
2. Where and when was it conducted?
3. What are you claiming is being supported and why?
4. Why are you saying this is a bad thing?
5. Most importantly what is the main point you're trying to make, and how does this evidence support it?

it's like trying to herd cats.

 

[Sheldon]

No I haven't bothered to fact check the Gallop Poll findings. I didn't see the need to do so.

Or link it, or explain what you're point is, or how you claim this poll supports that point.

 

[PruePhillip]

Or link it, or explain what you're point is, or how you claim this poll supports that point.

The point is to show changing social attitudes to moral issues.

 

[PruePhillip]

Again no link or citation of any kind, and what is the context ffs? The problem is you employ this shoot and scoot method, reeling off ludicrous claims, without proper evidence or context, and by the time someone else's has fact checked it, and found out your claims not supported by the facts, you're already off into the next disjointed rant.

1. Link the poll
2. Where and when was it conducted?
3. What are you claiming is being supported and why?
4. Why are you saying this is a bad thing?
5. Most importantly what is the main point you're trying to make, and how does this evidence support it?

it's like trying to herd cats.

Herd cats? We raise orphan kangaroos. Try herding those.

 

[ppp]

Well how do babies outside of marriage do in regards of education and general well being ?

The blame for that lies with prejudice and discrimination against social structures that Christianity does not sanction. Basically, you create a problem and then blame the people who suffer for the problem. Like when Christians throw their gay teens out of the house and isolate them from all social support and then try to blame being gay for the suicide rates among gay teens. You profit from the risk that you create.

And approval for suicide going up and up?

At least try to be honest. Your reference was to physician assisted suicide. Not imply suicide. And yes, I do approve bog people having that option. I don't know if I would take the option if I were terminal, but I would want to have the choice.

Is polygamy going to help the lot of women, or is it going to be one woman with many husbands?

Polygamy encompasses both polygyny and polyandry. The thruples I know have been together for years, have their own professions, and produced children who prosper.

The thing is, PruePhilip, most of the things you complain about are only problems because Christianity creates attitudes that penalize any deviation from the social structures that it sanctions. And then blames the victims for the problem that Christianity creates as justification for itself.