Double-blind Prayer Efficacy Test -- Really?

[Subduction Zone]

So are you saying at 27 my memory about God delivering me in treatment is not reliable? If so yes that is gaslighting.
You can say you don’t believe me but that’s about it, but you go further in making a diagnosis like you’re a therapist and involved in what happened.
But none of the therapists in the treatment center thought it was my own doing, they all believed God intervened and delivered me, it was that drastic.

No, it is not. You may believe that it is God, but pointing out that it almost surely was not God is not gaslighting. You do not seem to understand the meaning of the term. And yes, you open yourself up to analysis when you refuse to properly support your claims. When you say "God did it" that puts an enormous burden of proof upon you. If you admit that you only believe that God did it, then that is a far more reasonable claim that does not require additional evidence.

You are responsible for the static that you get because you make ridiculous claims that you refuse to support.

 

[Sheldon]

So are you saying at 27 my memory about God delivering me in treatment is not reliable?

The memory of what happened is not entirely reliable no, but more importantly the assumption of divine causation can't be supported by any objective evidence.

If so yes that is gaslighting.

Nope, your just gaslighting those who don't share your beliefs.

You can say you don’t believe me but that’s about it, but you go further in making a diagnosis like you’re a therapist and involved in what happened.

We can ask you to demonstrate a shred of objective evidence any of your beliefs, and of course we have, and of course you have failed to do so.

But none of the therapists in the treatment center thought it was my own doing, they all believed God intervened and delivered me, it was that drastic.

I don't believe you, but even if they didn't, so what?

 

[PruePhillip]

Barking mad nonsense, you are also lumping harmless behaviours with truly heinous cries, and some of the worst most prolific child abuse globally has occurred in, and been protected by your own Catholic church?

There is no such thing as a priest in the New Testament. Christ is our 'great high priest' and 'intercessor'
But the Catholics invent a Christian priesthood, without authority. Adding to scripture is a serious charge.
On top of this s.o.m.e. priests have been found guilty of child abuse. IMO such people are doubly condemned.

 

[PruePhillip]

hese things were far less in our great grandparents day.
Rubbish.

You think porn was a big thing back in 1900? Heroin and opioids? Mass killing of school kids? Gambling on an industrial scale?
Heck, the few police back then didn't even carry guns on their beats - and no cameras anywhere.
As for locks - we never had a lock on our house when we were growing up, my grandparents certaintly didn't either.

 

[PruePhillip]

Indeed, until the 1800's there were no police.
That's when modern policing began in the US, this doesn't mean there was no policing, and how is this a bad thing?

It's a good thing when a society has no need of police.
Take the number of police in any Western country, multiple it by three (or four, depends) for security guards, effectively private police, and you get an idea of the scale of policing required to maintain order now. In some US states stealing under $900 isn't even a felony anymore - no wonder some franchises in CA have closed down. There's simply no shame to stealing like there used to be.

 

[PruePhillip]

I wondered what a post-religious society would like like. I found my answer when the news spoke of 6 and 7 year old school boys doing remedial classes in how not to abuse girls.
What country is this?

Australia.
How can a 6 year old boy think of girls as sex objects? Where did this come from? Internet, TV and society in general.

 

[PruePhillip]

Gerraway, and you're not biased in favour of religion at all.

Bowling Alone is an interesting book. The loss of Social Capital.
The decline in general morals and social capital has several causes, such as technology and wealth - but the decline in religion is one of these factors.

 

[ppp]

Bowling Alone is an interesting book. The loss of Social Capital.
The decline in general morals and social capital has several causes, such as technology and wealth - but the decline in religion is one of these factors.

There hasn't been a decline in morals. Just a bunch of people looking at the past with rose colored glasses.

 

[ElishaElijah]

No, it is not. You may believe that it is God, but pointing out that it almost surely was not God is not gaslighting. You do not seem to understand the meaning of the term. And yes, you open yourself up to analysis when you refuse to properly support your claims. When you say "God did it" that puts an enormous burden of proof upon you. If you admit that you only believe that God did it, then that is a far more reasonable claim that does not require additional evidence.

You are responsible for the static that you get because you make ridiculous claims that you refuse to support.

The static is gaslighting so that’s your way. My testimony is supported by a changed life and 30+ years of walking with God.
All you can say is you don’t believe me but the other stuff you put out there is just gaslighting.

 

[ppp]

The static is gaslighting so that’s your way. My testimony is supported by a changed life and 30+ years of walking with God.
All you can say is you don’t believe me but the other stuff you put out there is just gaslighting.

By that usage of 'gaslighting' we are also gaslighting the flat-earthers and the phrenologists.

 

[ElishaElijah]

By that usage of 'gaslighting' we are also gaslighting the flat-earthers and the phrenologists.

And don’t forget atheists

 

[ppp]

And don’t forget atheists

And don't forget atheist what?

 

[Sheldon]

There is no such thing as a priest in the New Testament. Christ is our 'great high priest' and 'intercessor'
But the Catholics invent a Christian priesthood, without authority. Adding to scripture is a serious charge.
On top of this s.o.m.e. priests have been found guilty of child abuse. IMO such people are doubly condemned.

Wooooosh!!!

 

[Sheldon]

There is no such thing as a priest in the New Testament. Christ is our 'great high priest' and 'intercessor'
But the Catholics invent a Christian priesthood, without authority. Adding to scripture is a serious charge.
On top of this s.o.m.e. priests have been found guilty of child abuse. IMO such people are doubly condemned.

Wooooosh!!!

 

[Sheldon]

The static is gaslighting so that’s your way. My testimony is supported by a changed life and 30+ years of walking with God.
All you can say is you don’t believe me but the other stuff you put out there is just gaslighting.

Your claim isn't objective evidence for any deity , and this is a public debate forum, so endlessly claiming people who disagree with you is gas lighting is beyond idiotic.

 

[PruePhillip]

There hasn't been a decline in morals. Just a bunch of people looking at the past with rose colored glasses.

I am not old enuf to remember when there was the death sentence for adultery, but I do recall a time when it wasn't polite for a man to swear, particularly in front of a woman. And I remember when 'drugs' meant cigarettes. And I recall never having to lock our house door.
I was at a security seminar 1990's. Someone spoke about the new tech - it was said some of this stuff (ie CCT cameras) were available but the time wasn't right for them - but give another ten years or so.... That surprised me, kind of unsettling really. And sure enough, soon everyone was demanding all this security stuff.
My profile below makes it clear where 'morality' has gone, or where it's heading.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am not old enuf to remember when there was the death sentence for adultery, but I do recall a time when it wasn't polite for a man to swear, particularly in front of a woman. And I remember when 'drugs' meant cigarettes. And I recall never having to lock our house door.
I was at a security seminar 1990's. Someone spoke about the new tech - it was said some of this stuff (ie CCT cameras) were available but the time wasn't right for them - but give another ten years or so.... That surprised me, kind of unsettling really. And sure enough, soon everyone was demanding all this security stuff.
My profile below makes it clear where 'morality' has gone, or where it's heading.

What"!" When and where did "drugs" ever mean cigarettes? That we never the case even in Mayberry.

Just because manners have changed in a way that you do not approve of does not mean that things are worse. And of course many of us conveniently forget how "disrespectful we were to our elders when we were young. There are writings by the ancient Greeks complaining in the same way about the youth of their time.

And no, your sig only shows improved morality in general. It would have been even more obvious if you had quoted accurately.

 

[PruePhillip]

What"!" When and where did "drugs" ever mean cigarettes? That we never the case even in Mayberry.

Just because manners have changed in a way that you do not approve of does not mean that things are worse. And of course many of us conveniently forget how "disrespectful we were to our elders when we were young. There are writings by the ancient Greeks complaining in the same way about the youth of their time.

And no, your sig only shows improved morality in general. It would have been even more obvious if you had quoted accurately.

I don't mean that cigaretttes were considered like 'drugs' (which they are) I mean if you wanted to be a bad/cool/mature guy you smoked. But then came LSD and dope for the mainstream, and then heroin, cocain, crack, opioids. Each more sinister.
Yes the Greeks, amongst everyone else, complained about kids. But kids then were disrespectful - now some kids carry guns, do drugs and porn, tattoos etc..

 

[ElishaElijah]

And don't forget atheist what?

With flat earthers

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't mean that cigaretttes were considered like 'drugs' (which they are) I mean if you wanted to be a bad/cool/mature guy you smoked. But then came LSD and dope for the mainstream, and then heroin, cocain, crack, opioids. Each more sinister.
Yes the Greeks, amongst everyone else, complained about kids. But kids then were disrespectful - now some kids carry guns, do drugs and porn, tattoos etc..

All of those have been here your whole life. The only one that is fairly recent is LSD, and that is all but nonexistent today.

And some people get tattoos, so what? That is hundreds or even thousands of years old and has nothing to do with morals, good or bad. You have a very strange outlook on life. Perhaps you were too sheltered when you grew up? I really do not know..

You have yet to show anyway that life has gotten worse. Your info says that you are only 42 years old but you sound as if you are 82.