Without God(s), what is the point?!

[Wildswanderer]

Don't you listen to Jesus?
"Love thy neighbour" doesn't literally mean "love the person living next door", it means "love all of your fellow humans".
Have you not been doing this? Oops!

Love your neighbor means loving all and love is a verb. Your claim to love those you have never helped is just a claim. James says it's useless to bless those you don't actually do anything for.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You seem confused. The universe does not have a digestive system that creates gas.

If you mean that a person in a universe without gods cannot have value, then you are wrong. It has been explained to you many times, in terms that my cat could understand.
It is interesting how often religionists are repeated to use barefaced dishonesty in order to promote their position. More "Lies for Jesus" I guess.

Nothing dishonest about pointing out the obvious.
Without God you are a nothing made for no reason and going nowhere but in the dirt.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..Without God you are a nothing made for no reason and going nowhere but in the dirt.

Sometimes I wish it were true.
But alas, I don't think that I can get away with treating others badly, while I profit through immorality.

I assume that I will go to hell, as I'm a sinner .. I can only hope that God will forgive me .. but I do not expect it.
Why do we have to suffer? I guess that is reality.
Why should there be so many people suffering even in a country that has so many millionaires?
Oh well .. thank God I must die.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No, I believe what God says through his Son, equals morality. For example, do unto others as you would want them to do to you. Love your worst enemy

And kill your disobedient children. And witches. And homosexuals. And slavery is okay.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
So to be clear was Hitler made in your deity's image, as you clearly claimed, or not?

All of us were created "in God's image"

So your deity is a comparable imagine of Hitler then, like @Wildswanderer's deity? YIKES!

 

[Sheldon]

Thankyou.

I feel like I'm dying .. I have bad mental and physical health.
We ask God to forgive us for our trespasses. Amen.

Sorry to hear you've been unwell, and hope you're feeling better.

 

[Sheldon]

The conversation was not about physical form. No one was saying that God had a tiny moustache.

Oh! That's disappointing. How about a penchant for genocide? What am I saying, I have actually read the bible, so I should know better, I do apologise.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
The two are not mutually exclusive. Having the ability to be moral doesn't mean sharing the same subjective morals. The ability to differentiate between subjectively right and wrong behaviours means an animal is capable of morality, by definition. Do you think Nazis were able to be moral? They seemed to be after fascism was defeated. Once they were able to reason for themselves, free of ideological indoctrination they seemed to have that ability, odd that.

Funny coming from a guy who can't understand that Hitler had the ability to be a moral human.

So you understand that Hitler was making a subjective choice to be immoral then? So how does this make him better than a dog?

He certainly is no different to the imaginary deity in the babble, sorry bible.

 

[Sheldon]

Lol, you didn't even address late term abortions. Just babbling about with the same old falsehoods.

LOL you didn't address "Falsehoods? You think sex is man made? The mysoginystic anti-choicers may want abortion to be murder, but it's not by definition. Look the word up. Any more than it could be called genocide by any half literate person. Again look the word up. The fact anti-choicers have to resort to lies and use false and inaccurate terms infers something about their arguments, something beyond mere duplicity I'd say.

A blastocyst isn't a person, that's axiomatic, but even if it were, it would be immoral to insist it could take away the rights of women to bodily autonomy, as has been amply demonstrated. Since all the anti-choicers are happy to kill (their own vernacular) kidney patients by not letting them use their bodies against their will, and exercise their right to live(again their own ridiculous vernacular).

All the rest is coloured bubbles."

 

[Sheldon]

Nope. Most are not. That's another common lie.

No it's not, but then the truth must appear as lies to misogynists in any debate about women's rights.

 

[Sheldon]

Again you never address anything I said.

Sorry but what does that have to do with my post?
"This string of straw man assumptions doesn't seem to address my post at all. You claim that Hitler was made in the image of a deity you imagine to be real, then denied that deity had a comparable image to Hitler. You also claim Hitler (humans) were "better" than dogs, but when challenged to explain why produced unevidenced woo woo and superstition, and not only couldn't show any practical or objective facts to support this ludicrous claim, you then demonstrated your own dog had shown the agility to differentiate between right and wrong behaviours, which by definition is morality. You seem to think because an animal does share the same moral ability as humans this means they're not moral, but this is of course facile nonsense."

You seem to have abandoned all pretence of debate now.

 

[Sheldon]

You literally said a fetus is the same as a toenail.

Nope, again quote any post of mine saying anything remotely like that, with a ink. All you have done is repeat your false claim.

A religious apologist clearly has nothing to offer in any debate, if all they have left is outright duplicity.

 

[Sheldon]

If it's subjective, it's not morality, it's just what is convenient.

All morals are subjective.

 

[Sheldon]

No, I believe what God says through his Son, equals morality.

Woo woo superstition isn't sound argument.

 

[Sheldon]

For example, do unto others as you would want them to do to you.

So you're happy for anyone to use your body against your express wishes then, and harvest a kidney, to stop you murdering little babies with kidney failure?

 

[Sheldon]

Read the gospels.

I have, they're anonymous hearsay. Reading Harry Potter doesn't make magic and wizards real.

 

[Sheldon]

Work being published doesn't mean someone has real experience sadly.

Real experience doesn't mean someone understand the subject sadly, since some people are not bright enough to understand the subject being studied. There is an old saying "self praise is no recommendation".

 

[Sheldon]

Love your neighbor means loving all and love is a verb. Your claim to love those you have never helped is just a claim. James says it's useless to bless those you don't actually do anything for.

Like hateful misogynists, who pretend they are "pro-life" but are really just out to control women, and don't care who suffers.

 

[Sheldon]

Nothing dishonest about pointing out the obvious.
Without God you are a nothing made for no reason and going nowhere but in the dirt.

But without the need for the comfort blanket of superstition.

 

[Sheldon]

Sometimes I wish it were true.
But alas, I don't think that I can get away with treating others badly, while I profit through immorality.

Why would you wish that was true? Theists are scary. I don't want to treat anyone badly, and I don't need the fictional saccharine promise of an afterlife, or the risible imaginary posthumous torture chamber of Hell, to want to treat people decently, but then I am an atheist, so I don't need to pretend I have to have fictional belief in woo woo to care how i treat others.