Trailblazer
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Science does not deal with morality, that is within the purview of religion.
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Homosexuality and religious.
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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Because it was misunderstood, and classified as a disorder. The social sciences of the 19th and early 20th century were pretty crude and held a lot of attitudes from society, and homosexuality was considered a deviancy. It was only after more study that that belief was abandded.
Trailblazer
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No, that is not the religious argument at all. Nothing can ever hurt God because God is impervious to hurt.
The religious argument is that it hurts the people engaging in the behavior and it hurts society as a whole.
Right, it is a factual argument, no one is hurt.
Well it's not known to exist, so you don't know one way or the other.
It's only those religions that have a prejudice against homosexual intimacy. Otherwise the religious argument is irrelevant.
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Trailblazer
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True. It is the Abrahamic religions who have the big bad God that does not like sin.
And sins are often just cultural prohibitions. The God isn't known to exist.True. It is the Abrahamic religions who have the big bad God that does not like sin.
CG Didymus
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Is it another one of those things that Abrahamic religions do? That is make up laws that forbid things. I looked up what Buddhism teaches about homosexuality.
In Buddhism, the third of the Five Precepts states that one is to refrain from sexual misconduct. Among the many interpretations of what constitutes “sexual misconduct” are: sex outside of marriage (a relatively modern idea), sex with another person without the consent of your life partner, or the historically prevalent view that it was limited to describe rape, incest, and bestiality.
No Buddhist school prior to the European Imperialism that began largely around the 17th Century had ever described homosexuality as “sexual misconduct”. Traditionally, however, monks are expected to be celibate and restrain themselves from all sexual activity.
Buddhist schools condemning homosexuality for laypersons is a recent development and there is no scriptural basis upon which it is to be condemned. The closest would be a few Buddhists who equated homosexuality to disability or being a transvestite, but there was no condemnation in any sense (see also ). Buddhist leaders throughout Asia accepted or even sanctified homosexuality.
No Buddhist school prior to the European Imperialism that began largely around the 17th Century had ever described homosexuality as “sexual misconduct”. Traditionally, however, monks are expected to be celibate and restrain themselves from all sexual activity.
Buddhist schools condemning homosexuality for laypersons is a recent development and there is no scriptural basis upon which it is to be condemned. The closest would be a few Buddhists who equated homosexuality to disability or being a transvestite, but there was no condemnation in any sense (see also ). Buddhist leaders throughout Asia accepted or even sanctified homosexuality.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Or under the purview of society. Not all people believe in Flying Spaghetti Monsters and messages or messengers from them.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
And some cultures were okay with homosexuality. And probably their Gods and their religion thought is was okay too.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Well, not me. But the uneducated, the superstitious, the charlatans or paid promoters can take it that way. Lobbying, you know.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Apparently, Baha'is love gays. They just don't believe it is right that they have sex with each other. And I guess one of the reasons is because it serves no purpose. So, I wonder, how deep is their love for people of the same sex? I'd imagine it is a total and complete love. So deep and so true that they'd do anything for them... except have sex with them. That, to them, would be wrong. Since it's only for pleasure.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
But that doesn't mean the God does not exist.
Lots of things that were not known to exist were discovered later.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
True.
I was going to cut and paste the question here.....
Stupid Questions
but my higher nature overcame my lower nature
Well done, always good to win a self battle.
Regards Tony
Trailblazer
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That is actually true of many homosexuals, why wouldn't it be? People are people and they love who they love. Love is not confined to heterosexuals. I know a man who on another forum was with his male partner for 50 years and he was devastated when he got ill and passed on. He never really recovered from his loss, he was never the same after that.
I might as well continue my story before I sign off. JD was the gay man I spoke of above and he was a hard atheist. On that forum there was also a very liberal Christian called Ish and he was 'anything goes' regarding sex and had no problem with JD's sexual proclivities or anyone else's. In fact, those two were the best of friends.
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CG Didymus
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Baha'is can't prove it. And, unfortunately, they don't need to. Nothing can change their belief that what their prophet said is The Truth. Like those people in some of the other religions that changed their views about homosexuality, they are going to have to go against the "infallibility" of their prophet and their Scriptures. Some Baha'is have and they were pressured to leave the Faith
CG Didymus
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Social sciences do study it. So, again, Baha'is throw something out there that can't be defended. It just has to be believed, because their version of the Flying Spaghetti Monster said so.
CG Didymus
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Yes, and supposedly not them either. You know, the 'independent" investigation of truth. But that independent investigation, unfortunately, stopped when they signed their declaration card. From that point on they have to believe it all or they are not true believers.
CG - I just read this, it is not that long. It really answer all the issues. It was guidance for American Baha'i, but is applicable for all Baha'i.
The Baha’i Teachings and Homosexuality
Regards Tony
Sheldon
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Homophobic bigotry does tend to involve de-humanising people. The Nazis didn't view their religious persecution of the Jews as persecuting people either, nor of course are they the only such example.
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