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nPeace
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Didn't I tell you a moment ago, this is a strawman. ...but you are persistent, I see.
Perhaps being persistent is a good thing, since it allows the opportunity to learn... provided one is not like most critics - closed-minded.
I'll look at the first one. No doubt, the ones that follow can't be any better.
Why were 153,300 people required to build such a small structure ?
1 Kings 5:15-16: Solomon had seventy thousand carriers and eighty thousand stone cutters in the hills, as well as thirty-three hundred foremen who supervised the project and directed the workmen.
Oh boy. Sigh
The men were there to build massive structures - the temple of Jehovah, and the house of Solomon, and all the other structures associated with them..
The foundation was not built by the 153,300 people Groan
I think they ought to read the verse again, and this time, put on their 'thinking cap'.
Solomon had seventy thousand carriers and eighty thousand stone cutters in the hills, as well as thirty-three hundred foremen who supervised the project and directed the workmen
The workmen were obviously more than the
- seventy thousand carriers 70,000
- eighty thousand stone cutters 80,000
- thirty-three hundred foremen 3300
Skeptics pick at the most petty things - like children. ...and in their desperation, they fail to see how it makes them seem... as though they didn't pay attention in class.
I'm glad you are not a skeptic at that level, but please, stay away from their arguments.
Surely you can see how ignorant their thinking is?
Right?
The strawman does not make reliable prophecy go away.
It attempts to distract from this fact...
Since no man can accurately foretell in detail what will happen 200... 600... 1000... 2000 years in advance... Yet the Bible repeatedly does so. That is undeniable proof that it is of a source higher than man.
Is it any wonder their desperate attemps are so weak? They can't tackle the towers, so they hope that they can find a weak spot in the walls.
They won't. The house isn't built by humans.
I think they realize their "absence of evidence" argument is losing everytime archaeologist prove them wrong.
Or have they?
I think your persistence answers that question. They won't stop... Unless, the heart changes, and they humble themselves.
Pharaoh's stubbornness didn't result in a pleasant end.
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In the Book of Revelation it says no man in heaven or on earth can unseal the meanings of the Bible except the ‘Lion of the tribe of Judah’, that is the Promised Messiah when He comes.
That includes all the Christians, their priests and denominations. That includes both you and I. Only the Promised Messiah can unseal the books according to the sacred texts.
1 Then I saw a scroll in the right hand of the One seated on the throne. It had writing on both sides and was sealed with seven seals. 2 And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?”
3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or look inside it. 4 And I began to weep bitterly, because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or look inside it. Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Baha’is believe that Baha’u’llah is that Promised One and refer to His interpretations as we believe Him to be the Lion of the tribe of Judah with the authority from God to unseal the meanings of the books.
Baha’is follow the authoritative interpretations of Baha’u’llah and His appointed Successors only. We do not just believe whatever we want but accept the Bible as the Word of God. However, Baha’u’llah explained that only the true interpretation is known to God and which passages are literal, which are symbolic and which are both.
Those divine verses concerning the Resurrection and the Hour, whether they were revealed in past scriptures or in the Qur'an, are for the most part to be interpreted figuratively. "And none knows its interpretation, save only God." These matters have been made clear and demonstrated in the Book of Certitude.(Baha’u’llah)
Tablet on Interpretation of Sacred Scripture (<I>Lawh-i-Ta'wíl)
https://www.bahai.org/library/authoritative-texts/bahaullah/kitab-i-iqan/kitab-i-iqan.pdf?84a40f96
In His Tablet of Job, Baha’u’llah refers to the jealousy of Job’s people not satan that caused God to test Job.
His people were envious of Him, continually defaming Him in their gatherings. All their deeds are preserved in God's secret scrolls. They vainly imagined that Job summoned people to God merely because He had been granted the treasures of this nether world, although, in fact, Job was sanctified from both their vain beliefs and certain truths, and indeed from all that is in this world. When We purposed to show the signs of the one true God as demonstrated in Job's detachment and reliance, We caused to descend upon Him tribulations from all sides and truly tried Him with many tests. (Baha’u’llah)
So in reality it was the jealousy of the people that was termed as satan in the Bible.
Satan refers to things like ungodliness, materialism and even accusations against Jesus or His followers. In Revelation 12 it portrays Satan as the ‘deceiver of the world’. This is not referring to an entity but to things like love for money and power.
In all instances Satan is a term used to portray opposition to God or any influence such as love for wealth as causing distance between man and God. It was Jobs people prompted by jealousy who accused him of being devoted to God because God gave him so much wealth. So God took it all away to show that Job’s belief was sincere. But in the Bible the term Satan is used.
We do not know the author of the Book of Job but we have the Promised One of the Bible explaining it clearly to us and again, satan is just used as a metaphor according to God through Baha’u’llah.
Some more prophecies: Biblical prophecies
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
" that the prophecies in the Bible failed? "
Does one mean the prophecies in the OT or specifically of the Gospels, please? Right?
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Have one's own Google Check, please, is it difficult, please?
nPeace
Veteran Member
Both. Did you want specifics?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
paarsurrey said: ↑
" that the prophecies in the Bible failed? "
Does one mean the prophecies in the OT or specifically of the Gospels, please? Right?
Regards
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Have one's own Google Check, please, is it difficult, please?
Regards
" that the prophecies in the Bible failed? "
Does one mean the prophecies in the OT or specifically of the Gospels, please? Right?
Regards
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Have one's own Google Check, please, is it difficult, please?
Will one kindly quote the prophecy that (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah made in the first person in an unambiguous, unequivocal and straightforward manner in the Gospels, please? Right?
Regards
Here is info in an interactive format:
An interactive resource to explore Bible contradictions, cruelty and other detrimental aspects of the Bible.
An interactive resource to explore Bible contradictions, cruelty and other detrimental aspects of the Bible.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Destruction of Jerusalem, as prophesied by Jesus the Messiah.
(Luke 19:41-44) 41 And when he got nearby, he viewed the city and wept over it, 42 saying: “If you, even you, had discerned on this day the things having to do with peace - but now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43 Because the days will come upon you when your enemies will build around you a fortification of pointed stakes and will encircle you and besiege you from every side. 44 They will dash you and your children within you to the ground, and they will not leave a stone upon a stone in you, because you did not discern the time of your being inspected.”
(Luke 21:20-24) 20 “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. 21 Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, 22 because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. 23 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Here is my response.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
" (Luke 19:41-44) 41 And when he got nearby "
Isn't it evident that it is a third person narrative by some (anonymous) narrator named "Luke" as a deceptive ploy by the Hellenist Paul's associates and the Church, please? Right?
It is not a first person document from (Jesus) the Israelite Messiah, it transpires, please. Right?
Regards
nPeace
Veteran Member
Jesus didn't write a book. What's your point, and what does that have to do with anything?
It is a completely different set of contradictions, and there are hundreds of them. Your response is talking about another webpage. Here it is again An interactive resource to explore Bible contradictions, cruelty and other detrimental aspects of the Bible.
nPeace
Veteran Member
Wait a minute...
You didn't read my post then.
Then perhaps read my lips.
'They... are... all... the... same...
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When... you... meet... the... first... and... you... see... the... glaring... mistake... lies... with... the... skeptic... changing... the... text... to... fit... his... mistaken... narrative,... there... is... no... need... to... waste... time... with... the... others,... which... will... all... follow... that... same... blunder... .
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I told you pick... one... you... consider... the... best,... and... if... it... is... shown... to... be... a... mistake... on... the... part... of... the... skeptics,... then... all... the... others... fall... on... that... premise... ."
You failed to pick one... which means you know of none, but are just parroting what others say, which seems to be a bad... should I say, habit? of yours.
I picked the first from both links, and in both showed the mistake was the skeptics'.
There's nothing more to address. You appear to want me to just waste time.
Or maybe you are promoting something? Your posts one after the other, are looking a bit spammy.
Did someone put you up to promoting these links?
Then, why are you doing so, and cannot even post one problem you personally found?
The fact you can't even pick one, shows that you haven't read them but you want me to waste my time going through them?
I'm not dumb, Mr. soulsurvivor
OK try this one: Why did 'God' kill 70,000 people because David took a census? Ridiculous or even genocidal if trueThe fact you can't even pick one, shows that you haven't read them but you want me to waste my time going through them?
I'm not dumb, Mr. soulsurvivor
nPeace
Veteran Member
What an obvious strawman - "The Bible must not be true because I don't like what God did."
We were discussing failed prophecies remember?
You can't find any so you ran and build a strawman.
That's an atheists tactic. Now you got me wondering about you, and where you really stand.
Do you believe in God? If yes, why? How does God communicate with people... or doesn't he... or is that she... or it?
If you must know why God killed... was it 70,000? Suppose it was 700,000. Think.
Does God do things without good reason?
If you think so, I can understand why.
Those who know God, understand the Bible... and those who understand the Bible, understands God. You may read Matthew 13 from verse 11, to see why.
To answer your question, though...
Those killed were obviously guilty before God, and came under his judgment of death....
Reading the account, and coming to my own conclusion, the way I think of it, is that they were party to advising David. They might have been prominent ones... even prophets.
They were a lot of those - false prophets. Always saying what God said, when God didn't speak through them.
Jeremiah 14:14-15
14 Jehovah then said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or commanded them or spoken to them. A lying vision and a worthless divination and the deceit of their own heart is what they are prophesying to you. 15 “‘For I have not sent them,’ declares Jehovah, ‘but they are prophesying lies in my name, with the result that I will disperse you and you will perish, you and the prophets who are prophesying to you.’”
The penalty for that was death... sooner, or later.
Another explanation is given here.
Whatever the case, God never kills anyone who is not guilty of death.
Ezekiel 18... and other scriptures bare out that fact.
Knowing this, I can build on that knowledge, and know I will always come to the right conclusion.
Ignoring that fact, one will be led to any conclusion they want to go away with... wrong of course.
What we must remember, is to use knowledge, and build on it. Investigate. Gather the evidence. Try to get all the facts.
Asking why God did xyz, and coming up with, because,,, when you don't even have the facts, nor even considered any, is just an easy way to declare willful ignorance.
So the question is, Does God communicate with us? If so, how?
The atheists say, "Nah! God is silent... doesn't say a word. Why? She does not exist.
"What do you say?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Jesus neither authored NT-Gospels nor wrote anything in the Gospels nor spoke its words in first person, nor authored anybody to write it on his behalf, please? Right?
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nPeace
Veteran Member
No. God did.
No. His disciples did.
No. His disciples wrote his words. Third person.
Yes. He authorized the writing, according to John.
Not entirely.
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So the book is saying taking a census is a very terrible sin and that God punished them for being guilty of this grave sin!
Either the 'God' described in this book is unjust and really quite weird to kill people because the king conducted a census, or the book that tells this story is telling some untruths about God.
In either case, the stories in the book should not be believed.